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    The Marketing Genius of Better Call Saul w/ Chris Do

    with Chris Do

    Chris Do uses Better Call Saul to show how a different customer can change the value of the same product.

    Chris Do

    Chris Do

    Founder, The Futur™ · January 3, 2026

    The inventory is not the problem

    A store can have a product and still have no compelling reason for anyone to enter. In this podcast conversation, Chris Do, who describes moving from making commercials into client-direct brand strategy and brand design, finds that tension inside Better Call Saul. His perspective matters because he has faced the underlying business decision himself: keep selling familiar work into a shrinking opportunity, or find another customer for existing capabilities.

    The setting is deliberately unremarkable. Jimmy is working at CC Mobile while unable to practice law, surrounded by phones and almost entirely without customers. He cleans, waits, and calls his boss to ask whether the lack of activity is normal.

    The answer is worse than a temporary setback. This is apparently how the store operates.

    His boss offers a book as the solution to the empty hours. A busier location exists, but a transfer is not immediately available. The organization treats weak traffic as a scheduling problem for the employee, not a commercial problem worth solving.

    That distinction establishes the stakes of Do's reading. Jimmy can accept the store's existing definition of its market, wait for someone to want a phone, and remain dependent on circumstances. Or he can reconsider what the merchandise represents and who has a reason to care.

    A stalled offer is not always a failed product.

    Nothing in this sequence requires a better handset. Jimmy does not redesign the devices, improve the network, or secure a technical advantage. The phones available when the store is empty are the phones available when he begins finding buyers.

    The variable is the commercial story around them.

    Do's account keeps returning to that separation between capability and customer. A business can become so accustomed to one application of its work that it mistakes that application for the work itself. Making commercials becomes inseparable from the skills used to make them. Selling phones becomes inseparable from selling convenient communication.

    Jimmy's situation makes that habit visible. The store already has an answer to what it sells, but the answer produces very little action. Its ordinary category is not enough to attract the people passing outside.

    The tension is not between hard work and laziness. Jimmy is already working. Vacuuming a store, maintaining its appearance, and waiting politely do not change the reason a customer would cross the threshold.

    That is the opening challenge for a creative business as much as a phone retailer. Operational diligence can keep an offer ready without making it relevant. A polished service, like a stocked shelf, still needs a buyer who connects it to something consequential.

    Jimmy's response begins with the window. Rather than advertising another feature, he introduces a concern. The merchandise stays put. Its meaning changes.

    A phone becomes a promise

    The window carries two messages: “Is the man listening?” and “Privacy sold here.” One establishes a possible threat. The other makes the shop appear to offer relief.

    Do identifies this as the central repositioning move. Jimmy stops leading with phone technology and starts selling privacy. Features such as roaming, hands-free use, or convenient access no longer organize the pitch.

    Positioning changes what the customer believes the product is for.

    The distinction is more substantial than a clever headline. Someone interested in convenient communication and someone concerned about being overheard can look at the same device and evaluate it differently. Each brings a different problem to the counter.

    Jimmy's sign selects the second conversation before he has spoken to anyone. It does not ask every passerby to become interested in cell phones. It asks the person already susceptible to a privacy concern to reconsider what a phone purchase could accomplish.

    Do describes positioning as the space a business occupies in the customer's heart and mind relative to competitors. In this example, the apparent competition changes because the purpose changes. The offer is no longer organized around the usual reasons to choose a phone.

    The differences are visible in the language of the pitch:

    • Technology as the offer. The buyer considers access, functions, and convenience.
    • Privacy as the offer. The buyer considers who can hear a conversation and what that exposure means.
    • A different reason to purchase. The device stays the same while the customer's intended outcome changes.

    These are contrasts in the scene, not a formal sequence of steps. Their importance lies in how completely the new purpose reorganizes the sale. The customer does not need to become enthusiastic about the technology to become interested in the offer.

    A man driving past notices the sign, stops, and backs up. The scene gives the repositioning a physical consequence: a person who was not entering the store changes direction.

    That is a useful standard for judging a message. Distinctive language has commercial weight when it changes what a relevant buyer notices, understands, or does. A memorable phrase alone is not evidence of a better market position.

    The distinction between presentation and a substantive offer also sits behind the title of The Futur's related conversation, You Don't Need a Personal Brand. You Need an Offer. Here, Jimmy's sign matters because it proposes something the passerby can connect to a concern, not simply because it makes the store look different.

    There is an important limit to the lesson. This is a fictional sales claim, not evidence that buying or destroying a phone guarantees privacy. The business insight concerns how an outcome changes perceived relevance. It does not establish that Jimmy can reliably deliver the outcome he promises.

    A sharper position and a truthful promise are separate requirements.

    The performance creates demand

    Once the customer enters, Jimmy does not immediately rush forward to help. He performs a phone conversation with another supposed buyer, refuses a larger quantity, and agrees to sell six devices. The customer hears what appears to be demand before hearing a conventional sales pitch.

    Do explicitly calls this artificial demand. That description matters. The scene is not showing an overloaded business communicating an actual shortage. It is showing a salesperson constructing evidence that the product is already wanted.

    Jimmy then breaks the phone he has been using. The act gives the visitor another puzzle: why destroy something apparently useful and new? Before any detailed explanation, the performance introduces the idea that disposal belongs to the product's intended use.

    The demonstration is not about durability. It is about expendability.

    A stack of phones marked as reserved reinforces the same impression. The customer sees inventory that seems spoken for, a seller apparently occupied with existing business, and a device treated as something to use briefly and discard.

    Each element gives context to the others. The staged call suggests demand. The held inventory makes that demand visible. The broken handset turns an abstract privacy promise into an observable behavior.

    For Do, the choreography reveals how much of a sale happens before the explicit explanation. Jimmy is arranging the customer's interpretation of the room. The store no longer appears empty because nobody wants its products. It appears to be the place where a particular kind of buyer already knows what to purchase.

    The scene's sales devices can be separated without endorsing them:

    • A fabricated call makes interest appear established.
    • Reserved stock suggests that some inventory is unavailable.
    • A destroyed handset demonstrates the disposable-use proposition.
    • A brief delay in service makes the seller appear occupied.

    The ethical distinction is essential. Studying how these cues work does not turn false demand into sound business advice. The useful observation is that customers interpret demonstrations, inventory, and behavior alongside words.

    Perceived demand is not proof of value.

    That boundary keeps the analysis from becoming an instruction manual for Jimmy's deception. A real business cannot treat a convincing performance as a substitute for evidence that its offer works. Persuasive presentation can make a promise easier to understand; it cannot make an unsupported promise true.

    The scene is powerful precisely because the customer has limited information. Jimmy supplies a story that explains the sign, the phones, the supposed buyers, and the act of destruction. The buyer is invited to join a market that appears to exist already.

    For a creative service, the corresponding editorial question is not how to fake popularity. It is what the buyer can actually see that makes the offer intelligible. The storefront sequence exposes the power of context while also revealing how easily context can be manufactured.

    Jimmy understands the distinction. His customer does not.

    The buyer supplies the fear

    The customer wants to know whom he needs privacy from. Jimmy does not immediately identify a specific threat. His language remains broad enough for the man to supply the concern himself.

    When the customer names the IRS, Jimmy answers, “Bingo.”

    The exchange changes the sales conversation. Jimmy no longer needs to guess which institution matters to this buyer. The buyer has revealed the interpretation that makes the window's promise personally relevant.

    Do highlights that moment because it shows the difference between announcing a problem and discovering the customer's version of it. Privacy is a broad idea. Concern about particular business conversations is narrower, more concrete, and easier to connect to an offer.

    Jimmy then asks about activities conducted over the phone, including scheduling and arranging payments. These are not descriptions of the handset. They are descriptions of the customer's behavior, recast as possible exposure.

    The product comes into focus through the problem.

    There is a useful connection here to the subject named in The Futur's The Skill You Need To Win Clients That No One Talks About: attunement in sales. Jimmy's scene makes the issue unusually stark because he listens for the buyer's concern and then shapes the pitch around it.

    But responsiveness and manipulation are not interchangeable. In this case, Jimmy uses the customer's answer to intensify fear and support claims the scene does not verify. A business can learn from the specificity of the conversation without adopting its pressure or its unsupported assurances.

    He also gives the proposed behavior a name: “information hygiene.” Do admires how the expression packages an otherwise awkward idea. It turns the handling of sensitive conversations into something that sounds like a recognizable practice.

    The name does not add a feature to the phone. It gives the buyer a compact way to understand the proposed use.

    This is where naming can carry more weight than decoration. Jimmy is not merely labeling an object. He is labeling a behavior that connects the object to the customer's concern, making the purchase seem part of a coherent method.

    The final exchange about frequency extends that logic. The customer asks what using a phone once means, and the conversation moves among once per week, once per day, and once per call. A single device becomes part of a potentially repeated purchase pattern.

    Again, the scene demonstrates a sales mechanism, not a verified privacy protocol. Its relevance is the relationship between the claimed outcome and the proposed consumption: if disposal is presented as necessary, continued use means continued replacement.

    Do's broader lesson is that the seller should understand the problem in the customer's language. The caution inside that lesson is just as important. A customer's fear provides information about demand. It does not provide permission to exaggerate what the product can do.

    The messenger becomes part of the offer

    The storefront success does not make Jimmy's proposition universally persuasive. When he approaches a group of young people outside, they reject him as a suspected undercover officer. He has phones to sell and a privacy pitch, but his appearance contradicts the role he needs them to accept.

    Do's observation is direct: Jimmy still looks like an attorney.

    The rejection exposes a second layer of positioning. Buyers are not only deciding what a product means. They are also deciding who the seller is, why he is approaching them, and whether his presence makes sense.

    The same words acquire a different meaning when spoken by someone they distrust. An offer of privacy can sound like a trap if the person making it appears to represent the authority the audience wants to avoid.

    Jimmy returns in a tracksuit. Do reads the change as packaging and perception: the seller alters his presentation so the intended customers no longer encounter the same immediate contradiction.

    That does not establish a rule that every salesperson must dress like every buyer. The narrower lesson is more useful. Presentation can create resistance before the offer receives a hearing, and the seller needs to recognize when that is happening.

    Three separate difficulties now emerge from the sequence:

    • The empty store lacks a compelling reason to enter.
    • The street pitch encounters suspicion about the seller.
    • The original location depends on customers arriving by chance.

    A better slogan addresses only the first of those difficulties. Changing clothes addresses another. Leaving the store addresses the third.

    That separation prevents every weak result from being mislabeled as a messaging failure. Jimmy does not keep polishing the same sentence after the young people reject him. He notices what their response says about the source of the resistance.

    He also stops waiting for the right customers to find the shop. By taking the phones outside, he places the offer closer to people he believes will understand its appeal. Do turns that into a compact instruction: “Go to where the customers are.”

    His examples move from a fictional street to familiar media channels. TikTok, LinkedIn, and Instagram represent different places to encounter an audience. The point is not that every business needs all three. The customer's presence should inform where the business appears.

    The same channel-selection concern is reflected in The Futur's Where To Start With Social Media. In Jimmy's case, the distribution decision is literal: remain behind a counter or carry the inventory toward prospective buyers.

    Do describes the effect as reducing friction. The buyer no longer has to discover a quiet store before encountering the offer. The seller has taken responsibility for making that encounter possible.

    Positioning therefore extends beyond what appears on the sign. The promise, the person delivering it, and the place where it appears have to survive the customer's interpretation together.

    The same stock serves another conversation

    Near the end of his selling effort, Jimmy still has phones left. Rather than accepting a good result, he approaches a biker group and starts with an observation about a tattoo. The opening is specific to the people in front of him, not a repeat of the storefront script.

    He then refers to his former work as a lawyer and his experience with clients in the New Mexico correction system. The background that made him look suspicious to one audience becomes part of his claimed relevance to another.

    That contrast complicates the earlier lesson about appearance. Jimmy's legal identity is not inherently an obstacle. It becomes useful or counterproductive depending on what the audience believes it signals.

    With the group, he identifies the difficulty of having private conversations with people inside correctional facilities. He then points to the phones' small size, implying a use that the scene leaves the audience to understand.

    This is not a legitimate operational recommendation for reaching incarcerated people. It is another example of Jimmy tailoring a sales proposition to a particular audience's circumstances, including circumstances that make his conduct ethically fraught.

    Do focuses on the fit between the audience's existing pain and the language used to describe it. Jimmy does not need to begin with an expansive explanation of mobile technology. He starts with a problem the listeners can recognize.

    The pitch contains the same inventory but a different entry point:

    • The passing driver responds to a broad privacy message.
    • The young people first judge whether the seller belongs.
    • The biker group hears a concern tied to communication with people inside.

    These differences matter because repositioning is not simply choosing one dramatic benefit and repeating it everywhere. Even a shared concern can take different forms. The buyer's situation determines which part of the offer deserves emphasis.

    For Do, the final sale completes the illustration. Jimmy has worked through the inventory not by improving the phones, but by finding people for whom a particular account of their usefulness feels urgent.

    The business application sits at the boundary between audience selection and selling skill. A persuasive conversation cannot be separated from the decision about whom to approach. Jimmy's performance works within the story because he repeatedly looks for an audience whose concerns connect to his proposition.

    That audience-selection problem also makes Proven Strategies to Attract Your Ideal Clients a relevant companion subject. Here, the fiction strips the issue down to something visible: the same seller, carrying the same stock, gets different responses from different people.

    The most useful evidence is not that a clever salesperson can sell anything. It is that different customers require different grounds for believing an offer belongs in their lives.

    The phone is constant. The context is doing the work.

    A different market for the same skills

    Do eventually leaves the fictional storefront for his own experience. He used to make commercials, he says, but saw fewer people watching them and anticipated weaker demand for the work. Waiting for the industry to recover was not the path he chose.

    Instead, he moved toward client-direct work in brand strategy and brand design. His account does not describe abandoning every capability and starting from nothing. It describes redirecting those capabilities toward another kind of customer and engagement.

    “We use the same skill sets,” Do says.

    That is the cleanest bridge between Jimmy's phones and a creative business. A capability does not have to remain attached to its original buyer. The history of how a business has earned money can inform its next move without permanently defining it.

    Do connects this choice to blue ocean strategy, contrasting a crowded market with a space where there is less competition. His boat metaphor emphasizes movement: staying in the same contested waters is not the only available response to pressure.

    The claim deserves a practical reading. A different market is not automatically an uncontested one, and the transcript provides no financial figures for his transition. What his account supports is the strategic choice to seek another application for skills rather than passively accept declining demand for their familiar use.

    That makes the final lesson more demanding than a call for better promotion. The business has to distinguish what it can do from the particular format, buyer, or industry through which it currently sells that ability.

    The conversation supports a set of working decisions, though Do does not present them as a named framework:

    • Identify the problem that makes the existing offer relevant.
    • Describe that problem in language the customer recognizes.
    • Check whether the seller's presentation creates unnecessary resistance.
    • Bring the offer to places where the intended customers already are.
    • Consider another customer when the familiar market no longer supports the work.

    None requires copying Jimmy's false scarcity, manufactured conversations, or privacy assurances. Those devices belong to the character's manipulation. The durable business lesson survives without them: relevance depends on the relationship between an offer and the person evaluating it.

    For a creative practice, that relationship deserves examination before another round of polishing the portfolio or increasing promotional output. More visibility for the same poorly matched proposition can leave the underlying problem untouched. The issue can be the lane, not the effort expended inside it.

    Do's own transition gives the analysis its resolution. He saw a problem with the future demand for what he was selling and changed the commercial setting for his skills. The work's past did not get the final vote on its future.

    The empty store is the warning. A business can remain stocked, orderly, and ready while waiting for a customer who has little reason to arrive.

    A new customer does not always require a new capability. Sometimes the capability needs a different reason to be bought.

    I'm going to teach you everything you need to know about positioning, marketing, and sales from an unexpected source. A TV series called Better Call Saul, arguably the best TV show that's ever been created. So I just want to do a little setup and just want to be careful here. There's no spoilers, so you don't have to worry. It should be spoiler free. In season four or so, Saul isn't able to practice law anymore for a period of time. And he has to go get a regular job like a good person. And so he gets a job selling cell phones, early days of cell phones at a company called CC Mobile. And in this clip, you're going to see the store is dead. He's vacuuming, he's cleaning, and there are zero customers. He calls up his boss and he asks his boss, hey, it's a little slow right now. What's going on? And this is pretty much the business. CC Mobile, this is Jimmy. Heyo, how's the first morning? Good, Robbie. But actually, it's a little, little slow. Yeah, that store's always been a bit calmer. Just bring a book. So this is a normal weekday? Mostly, but wait till Inventory Week. There's a line out the door. When's Inventory Week? You just missed it. Is there any chance that you could move me to a store with a little more traffic? Uh, let's see. The Gold Street store is always hopping. Uh, but it looks like the schedule's all full right now. Let's give it a couple weeks and then we'll see. No problem. If I can, I'll swing by later. Keep up the good work. Yeah, see you then. Bye. So Saul, being so industrious, has to come up with a new idea to find customers because he's not making any money doing this. Being the marketing genius he is, he decides to do something quite remarkable. And that is to create a different type of customer. Business guru Peter Drucker once said, the purpose of a business is to make profit and also to create the customer. And that sounds like a strange concept to create a customer. How do you do that? Well, in this time and age... he decides to do something quite remarkable and that is to create a different type of customer business guru peter drucker once said purpose of a business is to make profit and also to create the customer and that sounds like a strange concept to create a customer how do you do that well in this time and age in this reference to this video the people who bought cell phones were people who wanted mobile access to be able to call people and these are early days but that many people who had a demand for this back then today it's ubiquitous so to create a customer it means you take the product and without changing the product you move it to someone else and you find a whole different category of people to sell to so instead of talking about features and functions about data plans roaming free access hands -free and all that kind of stuff he focused on doing something very different he decided instead of selling technology he sold privacy he painted this beautiful sign across the window that said is the man listening followed up with privacy sold here so they say if you want to get rich teach people about the problem and make them problem aware and then all he had to do was wait for the customer to walk in like a fly to honey someone takes the bait the gentleman pulls up in a truck halts and backs up reading the sign privacy sold here and the next little part that we're going to see here is the beautiful part where he pretends he's on the phone with an existing customer saying that they can't buy the phones because the demand on this phone is so high he's created artificial demand yeah maximum privacy it's best money can buy 10 no can't do it everyone wants six six um yeah yeah i could do six okay see you later so you notice also how he pretends to have a call with a fake customer and then he takes it and breaks it demonstration of what you're supposed to do peaking the curiosity of this guy's walking the store like who destroys a brand new cell phone well he's showing them what the purpose of this is single use use it destroy it so it's untraceable in fact he's already rehearsed this whole thing so when the gentleman comes in instead of being eager to serve him he's like i'll be with you in one second he's writing something we're not quite sure what he's writing yet but what he does write is a brand new cell phone well he's showing them what the purpose of this is single use use it destroy it so it's untraceable in fact he's already rehearsed this whole thing so when the gentleman comes in instead of being eager to serve him he's like i'll be with you in one second he's writing something we're not quite sure what he's writing yet but what he does write is on hold do not sell and he has a stack of cell phones ready to be purchased so the guy walks in is like what is this all about i heard that you sell privacy what do i need privacy from well he says you know people are always listening and we're doing a lot of business on the phone you know cash -based business that we might not want everyone to listen to which intrigues the guy and this is where another genius thing that soul does privacy sold here yep this is the place privacy from who come on you know like the government could be he doesn't know what he's trying to hide from he says things vaguely so the guy says you mean like the irs he goes bingo that's what we're doing like the irs bingo and so he knows this guy is trying to hide some cash transactions they get into a little bit more scheduling appointments on the phone how are you arranging payments on the phone and who's listening that's right they know every lick and tittle so you're living your life free and easy and then one day at a time of their choosing bam they bring the hammer down to chinatown jesus jesus is right i'm telling you these guys don't fool around and they will clean your bones faster than a school of piranhas i'll tell you what i do i practice something we call information hygiene i love how jimmy even comes up with this expression coining his own term information hygiene he wants to practice having very clean information so the government or the irs isn't hearing anything they shouldn't be hearing that's a great way to package this idea so you can come up with a problem and even find a solution and give it a clever name so clearly this customer is in for it they get into a little bit more he goes well how will how this work he goes well if you buy this with cash it's untraceable and if you use it just once you want to remain private will That's a great way to package this idea. So you can come up with a problem and even find a solution and give it a clever name. So clearly this customer is in for it. They get into it a little bit more. He goes, well, how will this work? He goes, well, if you buy this with cash, it's untraceable. And if you use it just once, you want to remain private, will remain private. Be traced, be tracked, clean as a whistle. What they don't know can't hurt you, especially if you use it only once per. You know, that's key. Once per. what? Once per week, once per day, once per call. And that's the most genius thing that you can understand. So in marketing speak, the definition of positioning is this. It's the space you occupy in the heart and mind of the customer relative to your competitor. In this case, he needed to find a customer who had a problem where the thing that he sold is the perfect solution for. In order to do that, he has to agitate the problem. And it's not to sell cell phone technology or convenience. It's to sell something very different, privacy. Now, this is a fairly fictitious story, but it kind of explains where the idea of burner phones come from. Because if you want to have a private conversation that no one else can listen to, you want a burner phone. So there, he creates an entirely different market. And to test this, in this next clip, we're going to see him driving up and trying to sell the exact same thing again. But this time, he encounters a bunch of kids who thinks he's a narc, an undercover police officer. He realizes something. He still looks like an attorney. Hey, how's it going? How you guys set for phones? We got phones. Private phones. Beat it, narc. Oh, come on. Would a narc drive this piece of shit? Take it back to impound, narc. So here, he realizes, because he's shown up as his old self, his former legal self, the kids don't trust him, naturally. So he has the bright idea. Now, he's got to go back home and change. And now, we see him reemerge in that kind of Saturday Night Fever look and walk in his tracksuit, which becomes part of his signature look moving forward. Now, he's walking around, and he looks like the people. He's walking around, and he's walking around, and he looks like the people. He's shown up as his old self, his former legal self. The kids don't trust him naturally. So he has the bright idea. Now he's got to go back home and change. And now we see him reemerge in that kind of Saturday night fever look and walk in his tracksuit, which becomes part of his signature look moving forward. Now he's walking around and he looks like the people. So a lot of this about perception and packaging. So if he doesn't look like his customers, his customers have a problem with him. And now he's selling them and they're flying out of the trunk. He can't keep them in stock. There's another lesson to be learned here as he's selling these things like hotcakes. Go to where the customers are. Now he realized the traffic that came to the store was just once in a while because it's not a place where people are looking for this. So he brings the show, so to speak, to the customers. And this is what you need to do. If you're trying to sell your services, be where the customers are. For example, if they're on TikTok, create content on TikTok. If they're more business oriented, they might be more on LinkedIn or somewhere in the middle like Instagram. So there's a valuable lesson here. By bringing your product, your wares, your services, your offers to where the customers are, you're reducing the friction and you'll be able to get in front of them. Now this last thing is super cool because he's not satisfied with selling a lot. He wants to sell all of them and he has a handful more. And so Jimmy being Jimmy packs up the rest of the phones and walks straight towards a biker gang. We don't know how this is going to work out because in other cases he's been beat up or people steal from him. But let's see what happens here. Did you get that ink in Las Lunas? Off by one. And you've been inside? No, I haven't had the honor, but I used to be a lawyer. Emphasis on used to be. And I helped a lot of gentlemen such as yourself and your friends here. And one thing I learned from working with my clients in the New Mexico correction system is that private conversations are few and far between. That's excellent right there. So he says private conversations in the correction facilities are few and far between. So he understands that gangs need to talk to each other, but the man is always listening. So he's speaking their language. He's highlighting a pain point they already feel. How do we talk to our people? Then he adds the solution, which. That's excellent right there. So he says, private conversations in the correction facilities are few and far between. So he understands that gangs need to talk to each other, but the man is always listening. So he's speaking their language. He's highlighting a pain point they already feel. How do we talk to our people? Then he adds the solution, which is these phones are very small. They can fit in almost anything, suggesting to them, potentially them smuggling the phones in in all kinds of different ways. Pretty genius. The man is always listening on those flan lines. So word to the wise, if you want to talk to your friends on the inside, there is a simple solution. Once you agitate the problem properly and use the language that they understand and a problem they identify with, the cell sells itself. Bravo, Jimmy. He sells all the cell phones. This is a beautiful lesson. So when you're trying to build your business and if you're not selling an abundant amount, it could be you need to change the lane in which you're in. This is also referred to as blue ocean strategy. If you're in a space and there's lots of competition, it's called the red ocean. Everybody's fighting for the same piece of business. If you take your boat and you move it somewhere else where there's less competition, you can have the entire ocean to yourself. Now, as it relates to me, in my life, I used to make commercials for a living, but we saw problems. Fewer and fewer people were watching commercials. So if I was in an industry making something that there was going to be less demand for, this is going to be problematic. And we saw the market slowly eat itself up. And I am not that patient. I did not want to sit around and watch this happen to our beloved industry. So I pivoted out of that by doing client direct work, doing brand strategy and brand design. And that allowed us to have a totally different market. We use the same skill sets. We just found a different customer and that's how you apply position in your business. Is there another TV show where you think they do an incredible job of sales or marketing that you want us to do a deeper dive breakdown on? Let me know in the comments below. Of course, we're going to do Mad Men. Stay tuned for that.
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