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    How to Market Your Services the Right Way w/ Chris Do

    with Chris Do

    Chris Do explains why effective service marketing starts with clients who value the work and can afford it.

    Chris Do

    Chris Do

    Founder, The Futur™ · January 10, 2026

    A client can love the work and still be the wrong client. Better marketing will not give that client a bigger budget. Chris Do, whose experience in this conversation spans creative projects, brand strategy, and competing for increasingly expensive assignments, argues that the problem often begins before a proposal exists.

    His perspective comes from the gap between making work and understanding who will pay for it. Learning to build detailed customer profiles, he says, helped him move into brand strategy and raise his prices. The consequential shift was not a new production technique. It was a more exact picture of the person being served.

    The wrong audience makes good work harder to sell

    The familiar diagnosis is a marketing problem: the portfolio needs polishing, the content needs improving, the offer needs sharper language. Do moves the diagnosis upstream. If the intended buyer has little money or sees little value in the service, better communication is being asked to solve a problem it cannot fix.

    That distinction matters because creative affinity is easy to mistake for commercial fit. A prospective client appreciates the same aesthetic, understands the references, and seems pleasant to work with. The relationship feels promising before anyone has established whether it can support the business doing the work.

    Do does not dismiss those affinities. His description of a desirable engagement includes creative satisfaction, compatible people, and alignment with the client's mission. But he insists that financial success belongs in the same conversation, not in an awkward discussion after everyone has already become attached to the project.

    A good creative fit must also be a viable commercial fit.

    The distinction becomes uncomfortable when the clients are small businesses that a creative genuinely wants to help. Supporting their development can be meaningful. It does not automatically produce enough revenue to sustain the person providing that support, and goodwill does not establish what the client can afford.

    The conversation repeatedly returns to this mismatch. Participants describe people whose businesses or tastes feel familiar. Do pushes toward a different question: whether those people are hungry for the service and happy to pay for it. Familiarity is not the same as demand.

    His interior-design example makes the point without requiring a complicated marketing theory. An interior designer working on much more expensive homes has a different commercial context from one operating on smaller projects. The surrounding economics change what that designer can reasonably spend on collaborators.

    The service provider is not choosing only a client. The service provider is choosing the financial environment in which the work will be purchased.

    That is the useful connection to Proven Strategies to Attract Your Ideal Clients: attraction starts with identifying a client worth attracting. Otherwise, more attention can simply deliver more conversations with people who cannot buy.

    There is also an important boundary around Do's argument. Financial capacity is a qualification criterion, not a measure of someone's character. A business can be worthwhile, its owner sincere, and its budget still too small for a particular creative practice. Declining that mismatch does not require contempt for the business.

    The real challenge is separating a desire to help from an expectation of being paid sustainably. Those motives can coexist, but neither should conceal the other. A project chosen for generosity should not quietly become the financial model for an entire company.

    Marketing becomes clearer once that distinction is made. The task is no longer to persuade every sympathetic prospect. It is to become relevant to people whose needs, resources, and expectations make the relationship workable.

    The budget has a ceiling before the proposal arrives

    Do tests the economics through a participant's description of a friend who runs several businesses. The participant estimates annual revenue at roughly one to two million dollars, spread across six or seven operations. The initial impression is of a substantial potential client.

    Do breaks that impression apart. For his illustration, he uses six businesses and $1.2 million in combined revenue. An even division produces $200,000 per business, a very different reference point from the headline figure attached to the owner.

    That calculation is not a verified account of the friend's finances. The participant is estimating, and an even split does not establish what any individual operation earns. Its value is narrower: it shows how a large combined number can disguise the scale of the business actually buying the service.

    Do then applies a marketing allocation of 10 percent and imagines the creative receiving a tenth of that allocation. Under those assumptions, $200,000 in annual revenue becomes a $20,000 marketing budget and a $2,000 project. The arithmetic is straightforward; the assumptions determine the result.

    The percentages should not be mistaken for a universal spending benchmark. In the conversation, they function as a rough illustration of budget constraints. The durable point is that a supplier's fee must fit within a purchasing capacity that is smaller than the client's total revenue.

    Revenue is not the same as an available project budget.

    Three different amounts sit inside Do's example:

    • The revenue associated with the business purchasing the work.
    • The portion allocated to marketing, including people.
    • The portion of that allocation available for a particular provider.

    Collapsing those amounts into one impressive number creates false confidence. A prospect can operate several businesses, appear busy, and still have little room for the proposed engagement. Business activity is not proof of purchasing capacity.

    There is a corresponding danger in treating every modest offer as an objection to overcome. Sometimes the buyer has misunderstood the value. Sometimes the budget is genuinely small. Those are different problems, and a stronger sales argument does not make them interchangeable.

    Do also contrasts clients who spend money to save time with those who spend time to save money. His language is deliberately sweeping, but the commercially useful distinction is specific: buyers differ in what they are trying to conserve. A service that saves effort will carry different weight for each.

    For a provider, that difference changes the conversation. One buyer evaluates the expense primarily as money leaving the business. Another sees a way to reclaim attention for work they consider more important. The deliverable can remain similar while its perceived usefulness changes substantially.

    That is why pricing and audience selection belong together. The related issue sits behind 99% Of Creatives Lose Money With These Pricing Mistakes, but this conversation places the first constraint before the price discussion: whether the buyer's economics can accommodate the engagement at all.

    A larger fee is not always waiting behind a more persuasive explanation. Sometimes it is waiting in a different market.

    Helping a client grow does not reserve the next contract

    The strongest defense of serving underfunded clients is not that their budgets are adequate today. It is that their budgets will improve. Help a small company become successful, the reasoning goes, and the relationship can expand alongside it.

    Do challenges the second half of that equation. A contribution to growth does not create a contractual claim on future work. The client can appreciate the early support and still choose a different provider when its circumstances change.

    Client growth does not guarantee relationship growth.

    The conversation includes a useful counterexample rather than a clean endorsement of Do's warning. One participant describes making a 3D animation for a pharmaceutical startup for $3,000. The company subsequently grew, brought some activity in-house, and became less connected to the original provider.

    Later, the relationship reopened at a different scale. The participant reports being able to bid much larger projects, citing $40,000 work and a $10,000 monthly figure. These are the participant's account of the relationship, not independently established results, and they demonstrate possibility rather than a predictable return.

    The interruption is as important as the eventual opportunity. Even in the example where the early client returned with more substantial work, growth did not produce a smooth, automatic escalation. The company changed how it operated, and the original supplier temporarily became less central.

    Do's own account emphasizes the less comfortable outcome. As companies become able to afford more established teams, they can reconsider their suppliers. The qualities that made a provider right for the beginning do not necessarily make that provider the obvious choice for the next stage.

    He describes this through tiers of competition. Winning $100,000 assignments did not mean his team could immediately win $200,000 assignments. Winning at $200,000 did not automatically translate into winning at $400,000.

    The price increased, but so did the difficulty of the comparison.

    Do attributes an important lesson about those tiers to his coach: “You're actually just at the bottom of the next mountain.” Reaching the apparent summit of one market can mean entering the least established position in another.

    That observation changes the meaning of loyalty. A client selecting a supplier for a larger assignment is not necessarily judging only the history of the relationship. In Do's account, the comparison expands to teams with different reputations, client rosters, and levels of recognition.

    The implications are demanding rather than cynical. A provider who expects to grow with a client must also become capable of competing for the client's larger work. Early access is useful, but it does not eliminate the need to develop.

    The broader transition is reflected in the title Moving from Makers to Entrepreneurs. Here, the practical distinction is between doing valuable work now and assuming that work has secured a future business position.

    The startup story therefore supports a qualified conclusion. Smaller clients can become larger clients, and early providers can benefit. But accepting a low fee on the expectation of future rewards means accepting uncertainty, not purchasing a guaranteed place in the client's next chapter.

    Present-day financial fit deserves more weight than an imagined future repayment.

    A purchasing role is not yet a person

    Once the commercial target is credible, Do shifts from ability to pay to the psychology of the buyer. A company category is not enough. Neither is a job title, even one associated with a substantial budget.

    His exercise begins with a participant who sells tile and furniture online to create living spaces. The participant names Marriott as an ideal customer. Do narrows the target from an organization to an individual involved in property development or business operations.

    The group builds an imagined profile: a middle-aged decision-maker, family responsibilities, education, income, and places associated with that person's life. Eventually, the buyer has a name, Ron. These details belong to a constructed persona, not a verified biography of a Marriott employee.

    That distinction is essential. Specificity makes a fictional buyer easier to imagine; it does not make every assigned characteristic true. The exercise is useful when its details help reveal a coherent commercial situation, not when invented biography is treated as customer research.

    Do's own standard is internal consistency. “Does the logic logic?” he asks. Each new detail should make sense in relation to the earlier ones, rather than being added because it makes the buyer sound affluent or impressive.

    The deeper work begins when the profile moves beyond circumstances. Do explicitly separates demographics from psychographics: how people think, what they feel, and the values and beliefs they bring to decisions. These are the elements he connects to better communication and more relevant services.

    The distinction can be expressed through the material in his exercise:

    • Demographics establish circumstances such as age, income, education, and family.
    • Psychographics examine thinking, feelings, values, and beliefs.
    • Past disappointments help explain the buyer's response to a new provider.

    A useful profile explains the buyer's hesitation.

    Ron becomes most instructive when Do considers the experience of being disappointed by previous suppliers. The new provider arrives convinced of their own honesty. The buyer, however, has a history that the newcomer did not witness and cannot erase with an introduction.

    That reframe changes the interpretation of skepticism. A cautious response is no longer simply evidence that the prospect fails to recognize good work. It can be a reasonable reaction to earlier promises that were not fulfilled.

    The provider's task becomes more precise. Rather than repeating claims of trustworthiness, the provider needs to understand why trust is difficult here. Empathy means accounting for the experience on the other side of the transaction, not assuming that good intentions are self-evident.

    The adjacent issue appears in The Skill You Need To Win Clients That No One Talks About. In this conversation, the useful move is to stop interpreting every client reaction solely through the seller's frustration.

    Naming Ron also changes the group's behavior. Do observes that participants become less inclined to keep altering the target once the profile has a name. The name gives the discussion continuity, allowing the group to develop one buyer instead of escaping into a new one whenever the exercise becomes difficult.

    Imagination provides focus. Its value lies in making the buyer's circumstances discussable, not in converting assumptions into facts.

    The profile becomes a brief for the business

    A detailed buyer profile can look like a preparatory document. Do treats it as a source of decisions about the business itself. Understanding a particular customer, he says, reveals possible services, ways of communicating, and directions for the brand.

    This is the connection between the exercise and his own commercial development. He describes customer profiling as a creative springboard that helped him learn brand strategy. The work moved beyond producing an object toward clarifying the person and problem that the object was intended to serve.

    Customer understanding should shape the offer, not decorate it.

    The distinction is consequential. If the offer is already fixed and the profile merely supplies a flattering description of an imagined buyer, little has changed. In Do's account, the profile becomes productive when it exposes something the provider had not understood about the customer.

    His process begins with evidence closer to hand than an aspirational list of large companies. He asks participants to think about their last 10 clients or projects and identify the engagements they would gladly repeat. The starting point is remembered experience, not the prestige of a prospective account.

    Three criteria guide that reflection:

    • Creative satisfaction: The work and the people made the engagement rewarding.
    • Financial return: The project actually made money for the provider.
    • Mission alignment: The client's purpose was something the provider could support.

    Those criteria are meant to operate together. Creative satisfaction without financial return reproduces the original problem. Financial return without interest or alignment does not match the kind of ideal relationship Do is asking participants to identify.

    The last 10 projects are not a scientific sample, and Do does not present them as one. They are a practical way to move past an answer built entirely from ambition. A provider can compare the promise of an engagement with the experience of actually delivering it.

    From there, the exercise becomes more focused:

    • Select the type of client whose work was rewarding, profitable, and aligned.
    • Establish that the target has money and values the service.
    • Identify one person rather than stopping at a company name.
    • Develop demographic and psychographic detail, checking the profile for consistency.

    The sequence matters because each stage constrains the next. A detailed portrait of someone who cannot afford the work is still the wrong commercial target. A wealthy organization without an identifiable buyer remains too broad to provide much guidance for communication.

    Do connects that lack of definition directly to weak content and offers. When the intended reader is blurry, the provider struggles to decide what to say. More production does not resolve the uncertainty; it distributes it across more material.

    His point is not that one fictional person represents every buyer perfectly. It is that concentrating on a specific person forces choices that a vague audience allows the provider to postpone. The message has to address recognizable concerns rather than an abstract appetite for good design.

    The resulting brief is therefore larger than a content brief. It can influence the services proposed, the language used to explain them, and the kind of relationship the business is attempting to build. The profile earns its place by changing those decisions.

    The thinking has to happen before the making

    The final obstacle is not technical. It is the discomfort of doing work that does not immediately resemble a finished product. One participant identifies the urge to rush into execution, where the end of the day produces something visible.

    Do recognizes that instinct. Thinking can feel less concrete than making, even when making without direction is the more expensive choice. The presence of a deliverable offers reassurance that progress has occurred; it does not establish that the work is aimed at the right buyer.

    His woodworking comparison places customer profiling on the measuring side of the process. The temptation is to start cutting because cutting looks productive. Measurement appears slower until the cost of an incorrect cut becomes visible.

    For a creative business, the equivalent error is committing to production while the audience remains undefined. The content can become more polished, the portfolio more elaborate, and the offer more confidently written without resolving who needs it enough to pay.

    The practical tension is especially sharp for people trained to demonstrate value through craft. Finished work is inspectable. Strategic understanding is harder to display, but Do argues that clients can recognize its value when it articulates something they have struggled to see.

    He reports clients responding with a feeling of being understood and recognizing clarity they had not reached themselves. Those are his recollections, not measured performance claims. They illustrate the kind of response he associates with turning scattered knowledge about customers into a coherent profile.

    The commercial significance is not that a short conversation automatically deserves a large invoice. It is that useful thinking can be part of the service rather than an unpaid prelude to the supposedly real work. The value rests in the clarity produced, not simply the time spent producing it.

    That also places responsibility on the provider. An elaborate persona is not enough if its details never affect the recommendation. The portrait needs to help explain what to offer, how to communicate, or why a buyer will hesitate.

    The final check is practical:

    • Can the intended client afford the service at a sustainable price?
    • Does the profile describe a person rather than only a company category?
    • Does it account for values, beliefs, and reasons for caution?
    • Has that understanding changed the proposed service or message?

    These questions do not promise that the client will arrive automatically. Defining an audience is not a substitute for reaching it. But it gives outreach, content, and offers a clearer destination than the hope that enough exposure will eventually produce the right buyer.

    Do's larger challenge is to stop treating client selection as something that happens after the marketing works. Selection is already embedded in the examples a business shows, the concerns it addresses, and the people it imagines while writing.

    A provider can continue making work for an indistinct audience and discover the mismatch in every sales conversation. Or the mismatch can be confronted earlier, while there is still time to change the target, the offer, or both.

    The next piece of content does not need a larger audience. It needs a clearer buyer.

    What successful people do is they spend money to save time. Unsuccessful people spend time to save money. You are all focusing on people who have a lot of free time. That's the problem. Most important business lessons I've learned from my coach. When you hit this level, you think you're at the top of the mountain. You're actually just at the bottom of the next mountain. From doing this, I started to learn and figure out how to do brand strategy. And then my price just went through the roof. Most of you don't know how to write or create content or create offers because this is blurry. I don't know who I'm talking to. And if you stick with me for the rest of this, not only will I teach you how to make money, you'll do this in the most painless, easy way possible. And if you learn how to do it, you can charge a lot of money too for other people. I got to tell you something. The reason why I want to start here is learning this process changed the game for me. It really changed the game because we think we're designing for someone, but we're not really doing it for anyone. So the way I like to do customer profiles is to really go deep and understand not just the demographics, which most people stop at, but psychographics, like the way they think, they feel their values and belief systems. When you do this, the way I'm about to teach you to do it right now, it's going to unlock so many things in your mind about what other services you can provide, how you can communicate to them, to relate to them better. And for me, it was just a creative springboard. From doing this, I started to learn and figure out how to do brand strategy. And that was just everything. And then my prices went through the roof. So would you like to learn how to do this? So what we need to do is try to figure out who your best client is. So we're going to build it for this, for your best client. And then you're going to see all of a sudden things that you can do, the way you can market and speak to them, the way you can brand. So you become very attracted to this type of person. So usually what people will do is they'll ask me, well, what is my ideal client? Here's what we do. How many people have clients here? Raise your hand. Because there's a lot of in -house people. Okay. So now we know the session has begun because the entrepreneurs have showed up. Because I've talked to one in -house person after the hour. I'm like, oh my God, it's all in -house. to this type of person. So usually what people will do is they'll ask me, well, what is my ideal client? Here's what we do. How many people have clients here? Raise your hand. Because there's a lot of in -house people. Okay, so now we know the session has begun because the entrepreneurs have showed up. Because I've talked to one in -house person after the hour. I'm like, oh my God, it's all in -house people. All right. So what I want you to do is think about the last 10 clients or projects you've worked on, which ones gave you the most joy? Like, just think about like, oh my God, if I could just do one more project like that, I'm going to be so happy. I would have paid that person to do the work. That's how happy I was. Number two, was it financially good for you? Did you make money on that? Are you aligned also in their mission? So creatively, really cool, cool people. I made a lot of money. That's a trifecta. So just scan through your mind, the last 10 clients or projects you worked on. You're like, God, if I could just get more of them, life would be so, so good. And you're going to remember this moment because we're going to design it for you, okay? Remember, they have to have money. Some of you like to target broke people. And you're like, well, they can't afford me. I'm like, I wonder why? Because they broke is why. So don't pick someone who's broke. They got to be able to afford you, actually afford a lot of you because you wouldn't want to keep charging more, yes? So one thing that we have to do is we have to find someone who's hungry or starving for what it is that we do and would be happy to give us the money so that we can help them. Do you know who the Hermozis are? Alex and Laila Hermozzi? I lost track of how much money they spent. For the two of them, they're both entrepreneurs since you don't know them. What do you imagine they pay their media teams on a monthly basis? What do you think their monthly budget is? What would you say? You're talking about their monthly budget. Yeah, monthly budget for both of them. What do you think it is? I'm pretty sure it's a lot higher than what I'm charging. Well, who cares about you right now? What do you think they're paying? Let's say probably up to $1 ,000. I'd say that. $1 ,000? Okay, good. Does anybody here know? $200 ,000? I saw Alex a couple of years ago. He went up on stage and he goes, I spend $50 ,000 a month myself. Okay. And then with my wife, it's $100 ,000. And then I heard there was like $100 ,000 each now and it's just, it keeps going up because they've realized something. The more they spend on their content, the bigger their business gets, the bigger the opportunities. And basically from the content that they generate, they get so many qualified leads. They don't know what to do with themselves. So you're busy talking to the choreographers of the world. Bye -bye. It's just it keeps going up because they've realized something. The more they spend on their content, the bigger their business gets, the bigger the opportunities. And basically, from the content that they generate, they get so many qualified leads. They don't know what to do with themselves. So you're busy talking to the choreographers of the world when they don't see the value in what you do. So it's like you trying to attract a person that's not attracted to you. It's kind of a dead chase. Sorry, I have a question. Yeah. Do you wait for these clients to find you or do you go chase them? No, no. You design this person and then you become so attracted to this person. I don't know about you. My brother told me this dating advice when I was a little dude. He goes, you know, who is it that you would be most attracted to? Sit down there and write on a piece of paper the ideal person for you. did that and then you forgot about it. And this is what you do. This is what how we design our ideal partner, business partner. All right. So with your interior designer, same problem. If they were doing four or five, ten million dollar homes, the interior design would get so much and then they would hire you. It just works that way. Does everybody understand this concept? So what's the problem? Why are we just looking for broke clients? Why do we do that to ourselves? Is it like looking in a mirror? I see you. What's happening, guys? Why do we want to work with people who cannot afford to pay us? OK, so what Gabby is saying, we like to work with people that we feel are aligned with us in terms of taste, creativity. But those same people don't have money. Yeah. Because you know why? Because we don't have money because we're just aligned. We're perfectly aligned. So what are we going to do? Chicken and egg. In addition to that, I like to help small businesses and help them grow so that they can have like the business that they really want. I love that. You all are good natured, creative human beings who want to better the world. Yes. Most of you. Some of you just want the money. Talk to me later. OK, that's fine. So those of you that want to help people transform their business, what happens when they transform their business? When you take them from 1x to 5x because of some of the contributions you made, clearly they don't run a business. What happens to your relationship? Well, hopefully it keeps going. Do they pay you 5x more for 5x more years? Has anybody ever had that happen? I had a pharmaceutical company startup. It was a startup that we did a 3D animation for and we did it for Peanuts. What's Peanuts? Let's get real. Peanuts is... What happens to your relationship? Well, hopefully it keeps going. Do they pay you 5x more for 5x more years? Has anybody ever had that happen? I had a pharmaceutical company startup. It was a startup that we did a 3D animation for and we did it for Peanuts. What's Peanuts? Let's get real. Peanuts is $3 ,000. Okay, that's Peanuts. Go on. Yeah. And then they blew up. And so they grew up. We actually grew up and we actually got a little bit disconnected as they were doing some things in -house. But as they came back, we were able to bid much bigger projects. How much more? 40 grand. Okay. 10 grand a month. Okay, that relatively is a lot more. So you're talking about 10x plus. Yeah, okay. This has been my experience. You can just hold on to the mic for a sec, okay? My experience has been this. You know, like when you're first dating your high school sweetheart and then you guys went to the big city and you went separate ways. All of a sudden she got a big job or he got a big job. You're not the same to them anymore. They trade up. Most people just trade up. So what'll happen is, and this is really sad, not always true. Like if I was in competition with you and I work at a much higher level, when they have the money, like we want to work with Chris and his team. They're award -winning. Look at who they work with. And most times they just leave you in the dust and you would do the same. You know how you accepted this low -level intern and then you got real big? They don't have the skills to grow with you. Not everyone is capable of going to the next level. This is one of the most important business lessons I've learned from my coach. There are tiers. You don't know it because it's all invisible to you. When you hit this level, you think you're at the top of the mountain. You're actually just at the bottom of the next mountain. So when we would win $100 ,000 jobs, we could not win $200 ,000 jobs. When we win $200 ,000 jobs, I could not win $400 ,000 jobs because they're very different animals, different levels of competition. And then you get to the million -dollar range and it becomes cutthroat at that level because everyone is world -class. You've read them in your design books. They're winning all the awards. That's who you're competing with now. I have a client, also my friend. Oh, no. It's not starting strong. Go ahead. Keep going. He runs about six or seven businesses. I'm not sure exactly. Okay, okay. I'm estimating he does about one, two million a year. From six to seven businesses? Yeah. Some of them are like passion projects. Some of them are... Okay. So he has a coffee. He roasts coffee, bags it, sells it, distributes it, does all that. Six or seven businesses. I'm not sure exactly. Okay, okay. I'm estimating he does about one, two million a year. From six to seven businesses? Yeah, some of them are like passion projects. Some of them are... So he has a coffee, he roasts coffee, bags it, sells it, distributes it, does all that. Okay. That's his bread and butter. And then he has construction. Yes. Those are his two bread and butter. Yes. Here's the problem with your friend's business. I'm sure he's doing fine. If you just take six and you take 1 .2, each business on average is by dude 200K. Okay, each one of them is a hobby lifestyle business. I all respect your friend. I don't consider him an entrepreneur. He's doing too many weird things. Why don't he just focus in on the one business that's making all the money and just get rid of the other ones? I'll tell him that. Please tell him that. And then if it works for him, tell him, send me some money. I'm going to change your mind. 200K is not a lot of money for your client because they're only going to spend some percentage of that on you. So now what do you have left? Now, as a rule of thumb, most companies spend about 10 % on marketing. Annually. So their annual budget for marketing, including people, is 20K. And you're not going to take their whole budget. So you're going to take a 10th of their budget, which would be 2K. Is that roughly the size of your projects, about 2K? That's the problem. You see, this is how it works. Just math doesn't lie. This is it. This is the problem. So we need somebody here who knows their client, who is doing decent numbers that they would be able to afford people like you and happy to pay you. That's the criteria here for an ideal customer profile. Who's your customer? What do you do, first of all? We make beautiful living spaces by selling tile and furniture online. Visual designer. Okay, I got you. Who's your ideal customer? I would say like Marriott. One person, yes? Like a guy who runs Marriott. Okay. What is his title? He's probably in charge of building property development. So his title would be like business ops or like property developer director or somebody in a high level. Business ops director. Okay. Yeah. Roughly how old are they? 45. okay. Married? They're married. Children? They have at least two kids. How old? Probably like eight and 14. I like that. So if you said 36, like the math don't work, right? That's good. Where else might they have a home? They probably have a condo up in New York City. They probably hang out in Aspen. All the rich people hang out in Aspen. You probably have a sort ofriages thanks to me. Just about a fortune. Two kids. How old? Probably like 8 and 14. I like that. So if you said 36, like the math don't work, right? That's good. Where else might they have a home? They probably have a condo up in New York City. They probably hang out in Aspen. All the rich people hang out in Aspen. Colorado. That's why I'm not in Aspen. Okay. This is perfect. What are they studying in school? Probably business administration and marketing. This is the easiest part. Yeah, easiest part. Can you guys start to, can you sort of envision a 45 -year -old man who's first marriage, second marriage, divorce? Usually probably it's better if it's his first marriage because then he has better integrity. Okay. Or you can't get out of it. That's fine. Okay. First marriage. This is all good. Stability. More stability too. So the next part is a little bit harder. Okay. Now, every step that we do is predicated on the first part being right. So when I do this for clients, I kind of like do the little logic check. Does the logic logic? If it doesn't, we got to fix something. There's a logic to you. Okay. How much income does this person make? Let's say from the company, you probably make about between, let's just say 400 ,000 plus bonuses. Okay. When you understand the kind of crap they've had to deal with, you hate them a little less. So this is why it's really important to build a really good profile because we develop empathy for them. My God, I just walked in the door. I'm a trustworthy person. I would never under prompt or over promise and under deliver. But every other person who has been in front of Ron has done that to him. Can you understand? So I'm going to be extra sensitive about this so that they understand I'm not here just to get money from you. Most of you don't know how to write or create content or create offers because this is blurry. I don't know who I'm talking to. How many times do we have to get each one of you to nail into one person? Even Greg was trying to change the profile of me. But here's something real interesting. When we gave him a name, he started to stick to it. This is the power of being hyper -focused in serving a specific type of client. So would you rather for the rest of your life chase people who are barely scratching at this or get three or four of these types of clients? You would have more business than you know what to do with. I think we often want to rush into the work as well. hour of being hyper -focused in serving a specific type of client. So would you rather for the rest of your life chase people who are barely scratching at this or get three or four of these types of clients? You would have more business than you know what to do with. I think we often want to rush into the work as well and not really like deep, deep, deep, deep. You're speaking the truth because it makes us feel uncomfortable. And we know from, I guess, a lot of practice, well, at least we do the work. We have something to show for at the end of the day. But when you do a lot of the thinking work, you're like, well, what did I just come up with? But I'll tell you something right now. There's that expression. I will measure a hundred times before I cut one piece of wood. This is the measuring part. You guys are busy chopping down trees. You're killing earth. Yeah? That's what you're doing. You just chop away. You don't know what you're looking for. When I've done this for clients, they have that same expression. I've never felt so seen. I've never felt like I've understood our clients before. How'd you do that? Or they'll say something like, you've done in 30 minutes what we've been unable to do in the last year. That's a real statement that somebody has told me. Your value in their mind has gone through the roof. Now when you see the bill, you'll understand why. This, I don't know this person, but I know enough people like this that once I get enough information, I can build the rest of the profile. And all of you can do that too because you have this beautiful thing. No matter what discipline you're in, you have this thing called imagination. Once we have enough, we can project for it.
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