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    How to Become the Authority in Your Space w/ Matthew Byrd

    with Matthew Byrd

    Chris Do and Matthew Byrd show how expertise, useful content, and intentional networking build authority.

    Chris Do

    Chris Do

    Founder, The Futur™ · June 3, 2026

    Being Good Is Not the Same as Being Known

    Expertise can remain invisible. Attention can arrive without it. Matthew Byrd, who describes rising from an entry-level surveying position to starting, scaling, and exiting a company before building a global technology community, has worked on closing that gap.

    His experience matters because it comes from a field where professional competence does not automatically translate into public recognition. Surveying was not an obvious route to an audience. Yet the work gave him something more useful than a content premise: practical knowledge that other people needed.

    Byrd began sharing that knowledge on LinkedIn while building relationships around his industry. Looking back, he credits educational content and active networking with helping him move beyond the role in which he started. His argument is not that posting replaces expertise. It is that expertise needs a way to travel.

    Authority requires expertise that the right people recognize.

    That distinction separates three ambitions often treated as interchangeable. Influence concerns attention. Expertise concerns ability. Authority, in Byrd's account, emerges when people recognize a person's ability within a particular space.

    A following can provide visibility without proving competence. Competence can exist without attracting a following. The professional trying to become an authority has to address both, without mistaking either one for the whole assignment.

    Chris Do pushes against the temptation to reverse that order: become conspicuous first, then acquire enough experience to justify the attention. His preferred sequence is substantive work followed by communication about that work. Not noise followed by an attempt to catch up.

    Byrd gives the requirement an uncomplicated form: “You have to be good at something.”

    The next problem is deciding who needs that ability. Byrd asks professionals to identify the client, customer, or community that would regard them as an authority. Without that definition, content becomes a collection of messages directed at an audience that has never been clearly chosen.

    This makes authority a positioning problem before it becomes a publishing problem. Someone can be deeply useful to architects evaluating building-scanning workflows without being recognizable to the public. The relevant audience is not necessarily the largest available audience.

    That narrower ambition also changes the standard for success. Public recognition matters less than recognition among people who understand the work, face the problem, and can judge whether the explanation is useful. The goal is not universal familiarity. It is a specific association between a person and a capability.

    For a related examination of that territory, The Futur's Personal Branding Masterclass with Daniel Priestley offers another entry point into the subject. Byrd's account keeps the question grounded in professional practice: what has someone actually done that makes their knowledge worth seeking?

    His answer begins at a job site, not in a follower count.

    The Demonstration Is the Differentiator

    Byrd was not simply commenting on equipment from a distance. He was using it in a surveying business. His content followed the work from the job site back to the office, where he could show the resulting data and explain what it meant.

    That sequence gave the material a different character from a product announcement. The technology was not the entire story. The story was what happened when a practitioner applied it to a problem and could explain the result.

    A scanner provides the clearest example. Presented as a device, it invites discussion of capabilities and features. Presented as a way to map a building and produce a floor plan, it becomes relevant to an architect who otherwise has to measure that building by hand.

    The hardware has not changed. The meaning has.

    Teach the outcome, not just the tool.

    Byrd describes adapting that explanation for different professional audiences. Architects needed to understand one application. Mechanical designers and surveyors needed others. The common technology did not eliminate the need for different explanations of its value.

    • For architects, show how scanning a building can produce a floor plan.
    • For mechanical designers, explain the application in their work rather than repeating a generic feature list.
    • For surveyors, connect the technology to the problems and outputs of surveying.

    This is specificity doing the work often assigned to spectacle. A professional does not need a tool to look extraordinary in the abstract. The professional needs to recognize an improvement in work they already understand.

    Do draws a parallel with camera and car content. A camera's specifications do not explain when to use it. A car's performance figures do not establish whether it makes sense for a particular person's circumstances. The missing layer is application.

    For creators who love equipment, that layer demands a shift in attention. The question is no longer only what a device can do. It becomes which part of that capability matters to someone else, under which conditions, and for what result.

    Byrd's advantage was access to the work behind the explanation. He could show more than an opinion about a tool. He could show its use, the resulting information, and the professional reason to care. That made his subject matter concrete enough for a specialized audience to evaluate.

    Do connects this to teaching, a skill he regards as central to reaching people. Clear communication and storytelling are not decorative additions to technical expertise. They are how that expertise becomes understandable outside the expert's own head.

    The distinction has an editorial counterpart in Storytelling Is a Superpower. Here, the practical challenge is especially clear: a device is a subject, but a device solving a recognizable problem gives the audience a reason to keep listening.

    Byrd does not describe becoming a teacher through credentials or a sudden revelation. He studied people he considered effective communicators, borrowed approaches, tried them, and improved. His working knowledge supplied the substance. Teaching made that substance accessible.

    The lesson is demanding precisely because it sounds simple. Knowing the answer is not enough. An authority has to make the answer useful to someone who does not yet understand it.

    The Network Comes Before the Megaphone

    Useful content still needs a route to relevant people. Byrd's early answer was not to wait for a platform to deliver them. He treated LinkedIn as a networking tool and actively sought the professional community he wanted to join.

    Some relationships began at events. He met people, then followed up online. Others began with identifying someone he wanted to meet and reaching out through the platform. In both cases, the purpose was to build a relevant network rather than merely occupy a public profile.

    That is an important distinction for professionals who publish into silence. Byrd was developing the audience and the material at the same time. Networking helped him connect with people who had a reason to care about the information he was sharing.

    It was groundwork, not an immediate transformation.

    His account does not establish that every connection saw every post or that outreach guaranteed business. It describes a deliberate combination: build relationships with the intended audience, then consistently create material that helps that audience understand its work.

    Proactive networking starts with relevance, not volume.

    Byrd's own acceptance criteria make that principle concrete. When someone requests a connection, he looks at the profile. He checks for a relationship to his industry or interests. He also looks for signs that the request is merely the opening move in a sales sequence.

    If a new connection immediately sends a sales pitch or an automated message, he removes it. The acceptance was permission to establish contact, not permission to treat him as a sales target.

    • Find people whose work connects to the intended community.
    • Make the profile clear enough to explain the relevance of the request.
    • Personalize the invitation with a genuine reason for connecting.
    • Avoid treating acceptance as an invitation to pitch immediately.

    Do reinforces the distinction between intentional outreach and indiscriminate requests. A connection should have a reason to exist, whether professional or personal. Research matters because it shows that the recipient has been considered as a person, not selected as another name in a batch.

    Byrd also argues against limiting the network to people likely to buy. Some relationships are worth building because the person can be helped, introduced to someone useful, or connected with information. Their value does not have to be explained by an immediate transaction.

    For readers exploring the platform itself, Mastering LinkedIn with Jasmin Alic is a related resource. Byrd's emphasis here is less about platform mechanics than professional conduct: the technology makes contact possible, but relevance and behavior determine what that contact becomes.

    This is where the online and offline parts of his approach reinforce each other. An event supplies context and a face. A follow-up preserves the connection. Educational content gives the relationship something substantive to continue around.

    None of those actions requires mass recognition. They require initiative and attention. Byrd was building a network before he had the visibility that would make a network easier to attract.

    Generosity Cannot Be a Disguised Invoice

    There is an uncomfortable tension inside advice to give value. Giving is often presented as a tactic for creating an obligation. Help someone now, then collect later. The exchange is delayed, but its underlying intent remains transactional.

    Byrd draws a distinction between that arrangement and genuinely wanting to help. His objection is not to eventually making an offer. It is to treating every relationship as a prospect waiting for the right moment.

    In his telling, the industry he entered could be competitive and guarded. Companies worried about losing work to one another. That environment made open education and useful introductions a different way to participate.

    The business purpose did not disappear. The immediate demand did.

    He describes leaving his service company to concentrate on building a community. His metaphor is a rising tide: rather than focusing exclusively on making one boat rise, he wanted to work on conditions that would benefit the other boats too.

    For Byrd, that means helping people find useful technology, meet the right person, and understand opportunities in their field. His role shifts from supplying a particular service to connecting the people and knowledge that make other professionals more effective.

    Trust grows when the relationship is not reduced to a transaction.

    That does not make trust automatic. Byrd describes it as something accumulated through repeated behavior. The content, the outreach, and the interactions all contribute to what people expect from him. A helpful post cannot compensate indefinitely for conduct that contradicts its message.

    His warning is blunt: “It's a lot harder to earn trust than it is to lose it.”

    Consistency, in this account, is therefore more than a publishing schedule. It concerns the beliefs beneath the communication. Byrd points to Do as someone whose message about individuality remains recognizable across stages, podcasts, and teaching.

    The formats change. The central conviction remains legible.

    That creates a complication for less experienced professionals. If beliefs and expertise are still developing, claiming a settled position too early can become a performance. Do raises the problem directly: a young person may not yet know what they think about the world.

    Byrd does not offer a shortcut around that uncertainty. Experience has to be earned. So does the trust attached to it. Public activity can accompany the learning, but it cannot substitute for the substance that makes an authoritative position defensible.

    The distinction leaves room for development without making every change a betrayal. Do allows for shifts in execution and changes brought by technology while keeping the core idea intact. Consistency is not a requirement to repeat an obsolete method. It is a requirement that people can still understand what the professional stands for.

    The unresolved test is behavioral. A person can describe generosity eloquently and still rush every new connection toward an ask. Byrd's standard is harder to imitate than a tone of voice: create relationships that remain worthwhile even when a sale is not the next step.

    Patience Is Not Permission to Repeat Failure

    The long game can become a convenient excuse. A flat response gets explained as insufficient time. A weak format gets repeated because consistency has been mistaken for an instruction never to change.

    Do presses Byrd on precisely that distinction: how does someone know whether they are playing the long game or simply the wrong one? The question puts pressure on any authority-building advice that ends with patience.

    Byrd's answer adds a condition. Repetition must include attention to results and an effort to improve. Otherwise, persistence preserves the mistake as faithfully as it preserves the habit.

    Consistency needs a feedback loop.

    He describes trying to make each attempt better than the previous one. Applied to content, that means testing formats, studying approaches, changing processes, and learning from people who have already built something similar to the intended goal.

    The principle is not that every individual post must outperform its predecessor. His emphasis is on active improvement rather than passive repetition. A professional can control whether the work is examined and revised, even when the response remains uncertain.

    • Keep the core message recognizable while testing how it is expressed.
    • Review the response instead of assuming time will correct weak execution.
    • Study effective teachers and creators for approaches worth testing.
    • Apply those approaches, then improve through further attempts.

    Byrd acknowledges that his early practice was imperfect. He did not begin with a complete content strategy or a polished model to follow. He started networking and sharing his work, then recognized the value of educating people rather than delivering a sales pitch.

    That matters because hindsight can make a developing practice look inevitable. His account is less tidy. The strategy became clearer through use. Some of the lessons arrived after years of doing things poorly.

    It also complicates the demand for expertise before visibility. Being knowledgeable about surveying technology did not make Byrd an accomplished communicator from the start. He could have something worth teaching while still needing to learn how to teach it.

    Those are different competencies, and both need work.

    The related coaching conversation Why Some Videos Blow Up and Others Don't provides another place to examine content performance. Byrd's contribution is to put experimentation inside a professional practice rather than treating visibility as a separate pursuit.

    His material came from actual work. His improvements concerned how that material reached and helped the intended audience. The objective was not to abandon the field for whatever attracted the most attention, but to become better at communicating what the field needed to understand.

    This is the practical balance between patience and urgency. Relationships and recognition need time. Poor communication needs correction. Treating both as the same problem makes it easy either to quit too soon or to persist without learning.

    The professional has to stay long enough to develop trust and remain alert enough to change the method.

    When an Audience Becomes a Place

    Byrd's authority eventually supported something larger than content. He started a conference around the community and the technologies he had been explaining. The relationship moved from individual posts and connections to an experience people could attend.

    That transition exposes a more consequential measure of trust. Reading a post is one commitment. Choosing to participate in an event is another. Speakers, sponsors, and attendees each have to decide whether the organizer can create something worth their involvement.

    Byrd says having a following did not eliminate those doubts. He still questioned whether people would show up, whether speakers would participate, and whether sponsors would support the event. Existing trust gave the new venture a foundation, not a guarantee.

    Authority made the attempt more plausible. It did not remove the risk.

    Do sees these deeper experiences as a way to strengthen relationships beyond what a public feed allows. People can meet peers, hear specialists, and get to know the individuals behind the content. Byrd's conference, Reality Capture Network, gives that idea a concrete setting.

    The important shift is not simply from online to offline. It is from one person explaining useful things to one person convening other people who have useful things to explain. The organizer's contribution becomes partly the quality of those connections.

    This introduces a new editorial problem for Byrd. If technical experts are already covering emerging technologies and innovation, repeating their contribution is not necessarily the most useful role he can play. He has to decide what his own perspective adds.

    He describes reconsidering the focus of his conference talk for that reason. The conversation does not establish a finished title or presentation. It captures a decision in progress: whether to move beyond technical instruction and teach professionals how to become better known for their work.

    The shift follows his observation that many companies in his construction, engineering, and surveying community have limited public visibility. They do valuable work but do not consistently communicate it through content or recognizable brands.

    His experience has given him another subject to teach.

    That is not the same as claiming expertise in everything. Byrd's proposed expansion is connected to something he has done: use media, education, and networking to make specialized work more visible. The new topic grows from the original practice rather than replacing it with a generic promise.

    There is also a useful distinction between control and contribution. An authority does not have to remain the sole source of knowledge in the room. Bringing in other specialists can make the community more useful, provided the organizer understands what role remains theirs to perform.

    For Byrd, that role increasingly includes helping other experts communicate. The person once trying to make his own capabilities visible is now confronting the same problem on behalf of an industry. His authority becomes more consequential when it helps someone else's expertise travel too.

    A Position That Can Survive Contact

    The conversation's final exercise turns a broad ambition into a sharper position. Do asks Byrd to identify an enemy, what he wants to be known for, and a call to arms. The purpose is not to manufacture three impressive phrases. It is to see whether they belong together.

    The enemy, the association, and the call to arms must align.

    Byrd identifies stagnation as the enemy. He objects to complacency and the refusal to try new things or take risks. His preferred action is equally direct: “Take action.”

    The middle element is less settled. Byrd initially describes wanting to give more value than he receives and to help build successful people. Both fit his account of community building, but they do not yet connect as tightly to the other two points.

    As Do tests the relationship among them, Byrd reframes the desired association as empowering other people to take action. The change gives the position a clearer internal logic. Stagnation is the problem. Empowerment is the contribution. Action is the requested behavior.

    • Enemy: stagnation. Define the condition the work exists to challenge.
    • Desired association: empowering other people to take action. Clarify the contribution that connects the person to the problem.
    • Call to arms: take action. State the behavior the message is intended to produce.

    This is a positioning test, not evidence that three phrases can create authority on their own. Byrd already has a body of work against which the language can be judged. The exercise helps explain that work more coherently.

    Without the underlying practice, the same words would be easy to claim and difficult to believe. Anyone can oppose stagnation. The more demanding question is whether their teaching, relationships, and decisions actually help people move beyond it.

    Byrd's story offers a practical standard. Expertise has to show up in demonstrations. Generosity has to show up in relationships without an immediate sales demand. Consistency has to show up in a recognizable message, while learning has to show up in changing execution.

    For a professional assessing their own position, those are observable tests. A profile can claim competence, but the work should explain it. A post can attract attention, but the intended audience should recognize its usefulness. A connection request can open contact, but subsequent behavior has to justify keeping it.

    The difficult part is not choosing language that sounds authoritative. It is making the language an accurate description of what someone will experience.

    That is why Byrd's most persuasive evidence remains the scanner and the floor plan. A specific person faced a specific problem. He showed how something he understood could help. Everything larger rested on making that exchange useful enough to repeat.

    Authority is not the claim on the profile. It is the reason someone believes it.

    My guest for today's episode, his name is Matthew Bird. It's somebody I've met and known for, I guess, two years now. We've gone fishing together, so we know a lot about each other. He had this idea about how you can build authority without having a large social media following. So hopefully this is going to be really intriguing for all of you, so stick around. My name is Matthew Bird, and you're listening to The Future. Matthew, for people who don't know who you are, please introduce yourself. Tell us a little bit of your story. So I actually got started in this really interesting, but maybe seen as a boring niche around land surveying. And I found this path where I got into these new technologies, and I started, while early in my career, I also started on LinkedIn, and I started creating content. And I found this path over a short period of time by creating content and being online and being really active with networking. I grew from the bottom -level position in the survey industry to being able to start my own business, scale and exit a company, and now on to building a global community around these technologies. And when I step back and look at, like, what is it that took me from an entry -level position to kind of this position of authority in my niche, I really attribute a lot of it to being online and creating content and educating people. And the thing I also found in my community is there's so many experts that nobody knows. And so my hope with talking about authority is, like, if there's people out there who have an expertise, how can they position themselves to become a person of authority within their space? What are the five biggest lessons that you've learned that we can pass on to people? I think one thing I've noticed a lot is there's a difference between building influence, being an expert, or actually... position themselves to become a person of authority within their space. What are the five biggest lessons that you've learned that we can pass on to people? I think one thing I've noticed a lot is there's a difference between building influence, being an expert, or actually building authority in the space. So there's a lot of people who they don't even know exactly what they want to be known for or what their expertise is, but they're really worried nowadays with being online of like, how do I just get the most views and the most followers? And then there's people who are actually experts at a trade or in a certain field, but nobody knows about them. To me, I think really becoming an authority in a space, the first step is you have to actually have an expertise. You have to be good at something. The second is how do you actually become known for that thing? And then I think the next piece for building an authority in the spaces, what is that space? So who is your ideal client? Who is your ideal customer? Who is that community that would see you as an authority and getting clear with that? Because when people don't have clarity of who they serve and then they try to start getting online, there's just kind of mess in what the content looks like, what the messaging is. And in order to start being known for something, there has to be consistency over an extended period of time. There can be. And just not always, because some people do shoot out of the gate really fast. These people who all of a sudden emerge. Some examples are people like Dan Martel, Alex Ramosi, for the most part, is a sleeper. And all of a sudden he's on the scene. And then in two years, millions of followers on multiple networks. Those are maybe more anomalies, but they do exist. You can come out of the gate really strong. His philosophy is, and I agree with this part of it, which is like, do epic stuff. He doesn't use the word stuff, but do epic stuff and then talk about epic stuff that you've done in that very specific order. And it seems like very young people are too impatient or they're drawn in by the limelight that they don't do the hard foundational work and they just pop on the scene and try to do as much things and make as much noise as possible. And then they are able to build some notoriety and then they backfill the expertise. But what you're saying is, do you have to be consistent? What does consistency mean to you? the limelight, that they don't do the hard foundational work and they just pop on the scene and try to do as much things and make as much noise as possible. And then they are able to build some notoriety and then they backfill the expertise. But what you're saying is you have to be consistent. What does consistency mean to you? I think there are a couple of pieces that come to mind for me. One is consistency in your message, consistency in your beliefs about the topic that you're wanting to be known for. Whether you're speaking on a stage, whether you're talking through your content, it's not wavering from your beliefs around that core focus. Okay. Let's draw from the real world. You can say yourself, who's got a consistent message and give us an example of what that sounds like. And then let's do the opposite, which is here's a fictitious thing where this is very inconsistent. So we know what you're talking about. Honestly, you come to mind for me as one of the, one of the people that is very consistent in your message around being who you are and the uniqueness that people have in themselves. Everywhere that I see content pop up from you, it doesn't matter if you're on a podcast, doesn't matter if you're on a stage, what you're teaching, your message is very consistent around those beliefs that you have. And the more that you're building an audience or a following, many of those people that want to follow what you talk about, it's because they've aligned with you on your messaging and you start to build this trust bank. And as soon as you do something that is against that, it's a lot harder to earn trust than it is to lose it. Right. Yeah. And so it's making those decisions early of before you start going out there and saying things all over. So for you understand who are you and what is your goal? What is your message? So that those things, as you build, you're really focusing on building that bank because it's, again, it's a lot harder to earn it than it is to lose it. Okay. So I see a potential problem here is if you're a young person, I don't know what I think about the world. So it doesn't seem like this is for young people or is it? I think it's important for young people to think about. To me, it may even lay some of that foundation of you need to earn some of that experience and that trust before you actually become an authority in a space. And I'd still say, like you've thrown out, there are anomalies to that. There are people that shoot out, but I think for the most part. for young people to think about. To me, it may even lay some of that foundation of you need to earn some of that experience and that trust before you actually become an authority in a space. And I'd still say, like you've thrown out, there are anomalies to that. There are people that shoot out. But I think for the most part, to become a true authority in a space, you have to put in some of the work. You have to earn some of that expertise and that trust building in that space. So we've established maybe one of the key components is consistency, at least having a direction and for the most part, sticking to that on the edges. Those things can change. Execution can change. It doesn't matter. Technology changes things, but your core idea is the same. What's the next thing? The next thing was the proactive networking. That was a big one for me. When I started early, again, I didn't have a big following, but I got on LinkedIn really early and I started doing one thing that I noticed most people today still don't do, which is proactive engagement is finding who your ideal community is and actually building out a network on there and staying engaging. A lot of people sit around on a social platform like that and they wait for people to find them and follow them. That was one of the biggest differences for me early on is I didn't have visibility yet. I didn't have tons of followers. So I put in the groundwork of going to events, meeting people, making sure that everybody I found, I followed back up with on LinkedIn and it became where I built that community. Doing that consistently over time, you get the mix of who do I want to proactively engage with and who will now find me from that network. And it became this mix. I think a lot of people wait for people to find them where you can go out and get it. Your sequence is in real life events, put a face to the name, get a vibe. I'm going to follow up with you on LinkedIn. And I know it was not recommended at least early on. I think even LinkedIn has changed some of its messaging. When I first got on LinkedIn, it was said, you're only supposed to connect with people you met in real life. And to me at the time, I'm like, this is the best networking tool that's out there. Why would I not go on there and look up people that I would like to meet? And I treated it as a networking tool. So I would go on it. One of the you met in real life. And to me at the time, I'm like, this is the best networking tool that's out there. Why would I not go on there and look up people that I would like to meet? And I treated it as a networking tool. So I would go on. One of the biggest benefits of LinkedIn, apart from some of the other social platforms, I think is the ability to search out anybody from any company in any position and send them a message and send them a friend request and try to actually proactively engage. As soon as someone accepts a friend request, they're now a part of your network. They're choosing to accept that. Now, when you go into creating content, that ideal person is in your network who will see your content. It was a very tactical thing that it's not an immediate game changer of, okay, you've got 20 ,000 followers and everyone sees your content, but it's slowly working on building out your network yourself. And then simultaneously starting to make content to educate toward that ideal audience was a recipe that changed my company. Let me ask you now, now that you have thousands of followers and connections, when somebody tries to connect with you that doesn't know you, what's your policy on whether you accept them or not? You want it to be relevant. So when I look at friend requests I get, I want to know, okay, I immediately look at their profile. Are we even in a similar industry? Are they at all relevant? Is the friend request coming with an immediate sales pitch? I look at all those things and choose to accept or not. Even if I accept, if the first thing I get is a sales message or an automated message, I remove them. I immediately remove. I think, again, this goes back to people want to earn trust. They want to earn a relationship. So what I found is a lot of people are interested and willing to connect and to accept. If you're connecting with the right people, don't go out and spam to a bunch of people who are irrelevant to you. But if my profile shows up and says, I help built environment companies learn new technologies or connect with the right people or build an authority in our space, and I'm actually connecting with those people in that audience, when they consider if they should accept it, they're going to look at my profile and see, what is this guy about? What does he talk about? Why is he? shows up and says, I help built environment companies learn new technologies or connect with the right people or build an authority in our space. And I'm actually connecting with those people in that audience. When they consider if they should accept it, they're going to look at my profile and see what is this guy about? What does he talk about? Why is he connecting with me? And then also personalizing the connection request, explaining why you're connecting, I think is another big piece. Just so people don't automatically start trying to attack every single person on LinkedIn, trying to follow them or connect with them. You're saying be intentional. Make sure there's a business case or a friend case that why we're reaching out. Do your homework, do some research. Don't just carpet bomb people and just say, please connect with me. And then perhaps the biggest one is maybe lead with a generosity mindset. Don't ask for things right away. And that's a big turnout for me. And I don't know where people are raised these days, but it's like, I don't even know you. And you're like, please help me. Give me money. Buy this. I could do this for you. It's like, man, just like basic etiquette school. People don't understand that. And perhaps it's a cultural thing. Now I know when I travel the world, when I run into different cultures, they talk about money differently. Some are shyer. Some are much more aggressive. Some automatically need to negotiate and ask for discounts. What are we doing here? So culturally it's a little bit different, but let's just say in the United States, maybe more Western ideas is don't go straight for the kill. It's just bad manners. Oh yeah. And there's multiple people that talk about it. I first came across Gary V talking about the jab, jab, jab, right hook. And even that it's still this idea of you're giving and you're giving only because you want to have the ask. And then you look at somebody who has built for a long time of just giving value like Alex Ramosi. This idea of playing the long game, you shouldn't only connect with somebody that you want to sell. You should even connect with people that all you want to try to do is give them value and serve them. And over time that becomes this network of people that trust you, that you've earned their trust. They see you're genuinely wanting to help them later when you have an ask. Those are the people who want to support you and want to work with you. I think there's an expression, something like if you want people. and serve them. And over time, that becomes this network of people that trust you, that you've earned their trust. They see you're genuinely wanting to help them. Later, when you have an ask, those are the people who want to support you and want to work with you. I think there's an expression, something like, if you want people to care about you, you have to care about people. And that's the problem. Most people are very self -centered, borderline narcissistic. And it's just, it's gross. It's all in my DMs every day. It's like, I'm tired of deleting and blocking you right now. So I just ignore you. I'm done. And, and honestly, that's a bit of how I think our whole industry was, and maybe still is in some areas where it's very competitive. Nobody wants to talk to each other. You know, we want to steal your work. And I very much approach it from this giving mindset of like what I tell people because I had my service company and that's what I got out of in order to work on building this community. And I use the example of the whole rising tide lifts all boats. I said, I was a boat. They were boats. We're all trying to make it rise. I basically got off my boat just to work on now lifting the tide. Ultimately, all I want to do is give everybody in my community value. How can I help you guys meet the right person, learn about the right technology, just ultimately be this connector. When you take that giving mindset, it really builds trust in a way that if you are taking the sales approach, or even if you're giving just to get instead of genuinely giving completely different results. All right. I got it. What's the next thing? Patience, building trust, building community, building an audience, all of those things. It takes time. And so many people are, again, they think that it's a light switch to be able to build a business, to be able to build a community, whatever it is. I mean, to me, I think those are the core things. So how do we know we're playing the wrong game and the long game? I think there's one thing to consistently do something that's not working and think that, oh, if I just do it long enough, it's going to be successful. It's another to have repetition and pay So how do we know we're playing the wrong game and the long game? I think there's one thing to consistently do something that's not working and think that, oh, if I just do it long enough, it's going to be successful. It's another to have repetition and pay attention to the results of what you're doing and improve a little bit over time. This idea of every time I do something, how can I make it 1 % better? I truly live by that in everything that we do. It's not this just do one thing. We think if we just talk about content posting, right? You don't just come up with an idea and post that for a year straight and not trial things or change things or try different formats or research formats and integrate new processes. There has to be constant improvement because it is definition of insanity is you get four views on every post, but you think if you just keep doing it, it's going to be better. So I think it's that recipe of how can you always improve and be a forever learner? Find people that are doing what you want to do, that are at a position you want to grow to and learn from them. That's been a big part of my journey is finding people who have already built something I want to build and learning from them while we trial, while we execute. Are your ad campaigns lighting up the dashboard, but not the pipeline? That's bullspend, and marketers are calling it out in dashboard confessions. My boss asked for results, so I opened my dashboard for the only positive -sounding metric I had. Impressions. Cut the bullspend. See revenue, not just reach. LinkedIn delivers the highest return on ad spend of major ad networks. Advertise on LinkedIn. Spend $250 on your first campaign and get a $250 credit. Go to LinkedIn .com slash campaign terms that conditions apply. Okay, so when we're on social, and this is a universal message here for everyone who's listening, if you have a podcast and it's doing the same numbers, if you have a YouTube channel and your subscriber rate has hit a plateau and you're not really growing, this is imperfect practice, I believe. And that you just think doing it again and again, hitting your head against the wall, and until it bleeds, it's going to be the answer, and that's not the answer at all. So how does one circa 2010 put in perfect practice online? plateau and you're not really growing. This is imperfect practice, I believe. And that you just think doing it again and again, hitting your head against the wall and until it bleeds, it's going to be the answer. And that's not the answer at all. So how does one circa 2010 put in perfect practice on LinkedIn to help you grow? I wish I had a good example I was following when I did it. I didn't. I put in years of doing things the wrong way, right? When I started my content game, to me at that time, it wasn't even a content game. I didn't think, oh, I'm going to grow this following. I just so happened to start using LinkedIn to network. And I started sharing the work I was doing. I was educating people with content. Later, I find, oh, that's actually a much better way to market something is to do it by educating and showing value and helping people understand how can they use this technology? What problems does it solve? That's one big lesson I've learned is people don't want to be sold to. People don't want to just hear someone come on and talk about a sales pitch. They want value. How, when you write content, can you share something that is valuable to the audience that you're building and how you write? I think that was a big lesson learned from early on. So you're on there, you're networking, you're starting to realize I'm sharing things. Some things work, some things don't. In the process, you become a better teacher. And I believe in this very much. I'm not sure if anybody has said this before me, but if you want to reach more people, you have to learn how to teach more people. And so teaching, I think, is one of the most underrated skills of 21st century, especially when it comes to growing your audience. It includes storytelling frameworks and simple yet effective communication. How does one do that? How does one get better at becoming a teacher from your POV? Well, I think it's by identifying people that you think are good teachers to learn from. So for me, I still don't claim to be the expert at any of the things, but I'm always trying. The way that I started was consuming content from people that I thought were great leaders, great teachers, great salespeople. And then it's you're pulling frameworks, you're pulling ideas, and then you have to start. And it does come, this goes back to many things. You have to do many things. You have to be The way that I started was consuming content from people that I thought were great leaders, great teachers, great salespeople. And then it's you're pulling frameworks, you're pulling ideas, and then you have to start. And it does come, this goes back to many things. You have to be willing to be bad at first. You don't just start and you're a great teacher or a great content creator. You have to start somewhere and, again, be a constant learner from others that are successful. Implement your own actions and trial and improve that as you go. There are a lot of people who report on technology and news. There are a few people who show you how to use the technology. I think you're doing a little bit of both. You're like, here's some really cool tool, but here's a great application for it. And I think you're able to close that bridge for them, right? And they get really excited. Hey, this Matthew guy kind of knows what he's talking about. Or I see the application because it's literally in my field, in my space. Yes. And that's where it came back to having that expertise. I wasn't just someone that was a content creator just talking about the technology. I was in a survey business using the tools. And so my content was very real content. I was on a job site using the technology. And then I'd come back to the office and I'd show the data. And I'd really get into those details. So the people who cared about that technology, it wasn't just surface level. It was really getting into the detail of how it was solving problems. And I think there's a big difference. And that's why earlier on I said, I think there's a difference between being that guy that would just create content and show the tech versus using content in a way within my area of expertise. I think those create very different interests in an audience. There are a lot of creators out there who will talk about a camera, its features, its functions. They'll talk about the car, how many horsepower, what is the drag coefficient or whatever it is, the features and the function of the car. Very few people actually will show you like, how and when would you use this camera? Why does this car make a lot of sense for a person who's traveling the world? Or it's a horrible idea if you're locked into some kind of urban environment. It doesn't make sense. And I think that's... the function of the car. Very few people actually show you like, how and when would you use this camera? Why does this car make a lot of sense for a person who's traveling the world? Or it's a horrible idea if you're locked into some kind of urban environment, it doesn't make sense. And I think that's what helps you to break through. So if you are one of those types of people, you're a geek, you love playing around with widgets and gadgets and things like that, add this one layer, find a good application for it. And we were talking about a mutual friend, Andrew Kramer from Video Copilot. Shout out to Andrew Kramer. There were people who taught the technical tools on how to use After Effects in a very boring way. And then Andrew came out and was like, I have five tricks. Let me show you how to make explosion. Let me show you how to do this procedural non -destructive effect, create 3D type for Star Trek. Then we got excited about the end result that will learn the tech. Yep. Agree? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. That's where having some of those niches that you're, you're really getting into the weeds of how does it create value for them or how does it solve a problem that they have becomes very useful. If I was only highlighting the device itself and what it could do, I would not have gotten the trust built from the different niche industries that I was serving because I showed, okay, I'll use an example. I had a lot of architects in my community and in my industry. If I just talked about the device, they would have, hey, this is a 3D mapping device. Here's the features of the tool. They would have cared less. They wouldn't have understood. But if I created content where I said, this is how I used a scanner to map a building and create this floor plan, the architects now don't have to go out and measure by hand. Now all the architects are like, whoa, what did you just say? How does that work? And then we did the same thing with the tool for a mechanical designer and then for a surveyor and then for, so getting into the weeds of how does my content create very obvious value or outcomes for a very specific person? You can build authority this way. I believe so. So you'll get the following and it's based on your expertise and you're doing something very practical, pragmatic. And the next piece that I found was after following that recipe and building a bit of a following and having trust with that community. specific person. You can build authority this way. I believe so. So you'll get the following and it's based on your expertise and you're doing something very practical, pragmatic. And the next piece that I found was after following that recipe and building a bit of a following and having trust with that community, it creates the ability to do new things. Once you have a following that trusts you, that sees you as an authority, if you decide to launch something new, you already have a following and a trust that want to do things with you that believe in you. And that was the path that I took to then start a whole conference around this community and around these technologies. And anytime you do something new, even if you have a following or you have trust, you still question, is anyone going to show up? Is this event going to work? Do speakers want to come? Are sponsors going to be there? So there's still a certain level of, I think, crazy you have to have as an entrepreneur to try new things. But once, if you follow that recipe of building authority, the likelihood of anything you do after that working is much higher. So it created the ability to now build multiple different types of businesses because of that authority. My hope in talking about authority isn't that I think everybody's going to follow that route of becoming content creators and becoming the expert in their space. But there's many people that want to and they don't know how. And I think just bringing to light that anybody could work on building their expertise and working on content and working on networking in a way that even if it's at a small level, it will change what is possible, I think, for their career. So you're talking about once you've built some level of authority, if you're that level of crazy, you deepen experience, you create something for people to attend. And when I say experience, I'm thinking, at least in our space, places where we can travel to and do something deeper on a multi -day thing, get to really develop much stronger bonds and get to know people who they are, not just what they talk about. For you, it's also doing events, like big events, people flying in from all over the world, spending a day or so or two days listening to talks. to and do something deeper on a multi -day thing get to really develop much stronger bonds and get to know people who they are not just what they talk about for you it's also doing events like big events people flying in from all over the world spending a day or so or two days listening to talks meeting peers colleagues and also authorities in their space and you you took on this gamble and i think as i've known you it just keeps getting bigger more sponsors and more everything is just snowballing here and you're you're building moats by the way and for people who don't know moats just think about a castle you build a moat so people can't storm the castle the greater your authority the deeper the events the less likely it is that someone can come in and knock you off your position and this is the thing that sucks is like when you're first in and you are dominant it's very hard for number two or three to get in and there's a general rule that number one is three times bigger than number two and number two is three times bigger than number three so the lion's share of the attention the revenue all that stuff goes to number one so if you can't be first be something else that's a general rule so i'm gonna ask you a very human question here feel free to answer this however you want i'm at your conference reality capture network when is it by the way october october always in october yeah right now what's the title of your talk what are you speaking about what is your authority in my overall talk from a high level is the importance of innovation and emerging technologies for built environment companies okay that's the theme what's the title of the talk i know that's the theme haven't built it yet i don't know okay i may what might it be then let's crystal ball this get me excited about what you're going to talk about give me your five to seven word ted talk title for a thing that doesn't exist yet it's something that i actually kind of juggle each year is i bring in a lot of other technical experts to do talks and in my space and so i actually keep shifting my focus a little bit each year on okay if i have 30 other keynote speakers around emerging technologies around innovation even though that's what i was first known for what is a different message that i can give that is more unique And so I actually keep shifting my focus a little bit each year on, okay, if I have 30 other keynote speakers around emerging technologies and around innovation, even though that's what I was first known for, what is a different message that I can give that is more unique to me that will add value? So this is where even talking about authority, I'm starting to have a little bit of this shift personally, where I have built an authority around these technologies and around innovation, but now I'm bringing together all these innovators. My next thing of how I believe I can give value to that community is actually teaching them about authority. Because if you look at the construction engineering survey space that I'm in, most companies do not show up online. They do not have content. There are no influencers. There are no content creators. They might have a website. Their brands are not well known. So as I continue to learn and follow other people in that space, and I've used brand and content and media, now that I have this community, I see another value add is actually helping them in that space. How can they become more known? How can they amplify the work that they do? So if I had to pick right now, I actually think my talk might go more in that angle and step a little bit outside of the technical talk this year. Here's how we're going to wrap this up. I'm going to ask you three questions. No thinking. Just tell me whatever it is that comes off your mind. If you think about it, it becomes harder. If you just respond to it with whatever's in your heart and your spirit, you just go, what are you on a mission to rid the world of? Who is your enemy? What do you want to eradicate? Stagnation. People that are not willing to try new things, take risks. Complacency. yeah. That's the enemy. What do you want to be known for? I just want to be known for giving people more value than I ever tried to receive. When I think of Matthew Bird, I think of this. Or when I think of these words, I associate with Matthew Bird. If I had to answer that right now, it would be being known for helping build other successful people. The third thing I'm going to ask you is, and this is not going to work now because these things... when I think of Matthew Byrd, I think of this. Or when I think of these words, I associate with Matthew Byrd. If I had to answer that right now, it would be being known for helping build other successful people. The third thing I'm going to ask you is, and this is not going to work now because these things are not connected yet. I see one of the wheels broken already. Is what is your call to arms? What is your rallying cry to say, do this? It's usually a strong verb followed by an idea or something like this. Take action. I am a big believer in the fact that there's a lot of people who read. There's a lot of people that learn. They have all these ideas. But whether it's fear or whether it's not wanting to take the risk or whatever it is, so many people don't take the steps. And I truly am a believer in taking action and learning as you go. Okay, so now if we look at the triangle, now you can start to see how this works. If the enemy is stagnation and the rallying cries take action, those seem to work pretty well together, then what is the thing you want to be known for? Well, I think if I said what I was trying to say in a different way that I feel like would align with that is empowering other people to take action. Basically, when you massage all three corners of the triangle or the Venn diagram, when it sings, that is your brand. That's why you're the expert around personal branding. I'm just working at it, man. I'm just working at it. So the best example I can give to you is a guy named Brian Johnson. Do you know Brian Johnson? He looks like a vampire. I feel like I've seen him. He's a tech billionaire, I think. Okay. You know, he spends a million dollars biohacking every year to try to reverse it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy. That one. Now you know him. Okay. So if I were to ask you, what does he want to be known for? What is he known for? What would it be? Longevity. Perfect word. Longevity. What's his enemy? What's he trying to get rid of, eradicate the world of? Don't think too hard. If you think too hard, yes. See, if you try to think too hard, you're going to break it, right? Yeah, yeah. Because we get into our analytical brain and this is from the heart. Yeah. What's his call to arms rallying cried, you know? I don't know. The first thing that came to mind is supplements. Command. You're right, right, right. hard if you think too hard yes see if you try to think too hard you're gonna break it right yeah yeah because we get into our analytical brain and this is from the heart yep what's his call to arms rallying cried you know i don't know the first thing that came to mind is supplements a man you're right right right that's what he sells oh that's what he sells supplements by the way so it's kind of a weird model right his call to arms is don't die oh you just overthink it yeah you gotta just be like real basic with this yeah longevity death don't die yeah yeah a different word than than longevity could be aging reversal yep is biological age is different than his chronological age yeah he's aging in reverse wild pretty cool so figure that out for yourself yeah and once you figure it out you can teach other people i need to yeah you can literally come up to somebody he's like tell me your enemy yep before you're gone from this earth what's the thing that you'd like to get rid of or make a dent in that gives you a lot of clarity of purpose and how you can move forward in life yeah yeah i appreciate that yeah that's a nice diagram to think about yeah well thanks for being on the show yeah if you want to find out more about the innovations and emerging technology in this surveying space where do we send them honestly i live and breathe on linkedin so you can find me on linkedin our website for the conferences and things that we host is realitycapturenetwork .com
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