Skip to content
    Podcast 13 min read

    The Pricing Conversation You Keep Avoiding w/ Chris Do

    with Chris Do

    Chris Do argues that discussing price early clears distractions and makes room for an honest client conversation.

    Chris Do

    Chris Do

    Founder, The Futur™ · July 8, 2026

    The price is already in the room

    The price left unsaid still controls the conversation. It competes with every question, every answer, every attempt to understand the client. Podcast guest Chris Do, who describes how he handles budget, deadlines, scope, and objections with prospective clients, makes the case for discussing money before that distraction takes over.

    His perspective matters because the problem he identifies is not simply an awkward moment at the end of a meeting. It is the attention lost throughout the meeting while the seller waits for that moment to arrive.

    The scene is familiar in his telling. A prospect explains something important about the work. Across the conversation, the person hoping to win that work is privately rehearsing a different exchange: when to mention money, whether the client can afford the price, and how badly the disclosure could go.

    On the surface, a discussion is happening. Underneath it, another discussion has already taken priority.

    A delayed pricing conversation can become a listening problem. Do describes the seller as only partly attentive, preoccupied by a question that has not yet been asked. That observation changes the stakes of bringing up money early. The purpose is not merely to get an uncomfortable task out of the way.

    It is to become available for the conversation that follows.

    Do reaches for an everyday comparison: being on vacation with a friend or partner while mentally somewhere else. Physical presence does not guarantee attention. The same split can happen in a client meeting, where a professional appears engaged but remains occupied by the commercial uncertainty underneath the discussion.

    His retail comparison sharpens the contradiction. People often appreciate knowing what something costs before deciding whether to buy it. Yet those same people, when selling their own services, can withhold the information they would want as customers.

    The point is not that every service should be priced like an item on a shelf. It is that hiding the commercial question does not make the buying experience more comfortable. In Do's account, it creates anxiety on both sides.

    The seller waits for a safe opening. The buyer waits for information needed to make a decision. Each can mistake the other's silence for a reason to keep waiting.

    That makes the delay more than a private confidence issue. It shapes the experience offered to the prospect. The connection sits naturally beside The Futur's Crafting a Great Client Experience: the encounter with a professional begins before any work is delivered.

    Do's challenge is therefore narrower, and more demanding, than simply becoming comfortable with money. The seller must recognize when personal discomfort is determining the structure of a business conversation.

    Waiting can feel considerate. It can also leave the buyer carrying uncertainty that the seller has the power to address.

    The opening move is to stop treating price as an interruption to the real discussion. When affordability remains unresolved, price is already part of that discussion. It is simply the part neither person can examine openly.

    The silence protects the wrong thing

    Do locates much of this hesitation in the seller's relationship with money, value, and worth. Saying a price can feel less like presenting a commercial condition and more like inviting a judgment about the person saying it.

    That is the emotional confusion running beneath his advice. A number intended to describe the terms of an engagement becomes entangled with whether the seller deserves to be taken seriously.

    Keeping the number private offers temporary protection from hearing a response. But it also leaves the seller alone with imagined responses. Before the prospect has objected, the seller can already be anticipating disbelief, anger, or rejection.

    Do describes this as an internal narrative driven largely by fear and imagination rather than an actual exchange. The buyer has not yet had the opportunity to supply the information that would confirm or contradict it.

    His broader explanation uses the language of emotional pressure. He introduces an idea about holding feelings inside and explicitly describes it as a spiritual concept rather than an established scientific account. The useful distinction is between that metaphor and the practical behavior he recommends.

    There is no need to treat emotional energy as a measurable mechanism to understand the proposed action: name the concern instead of silently organizing the meeting around it.

    “Just speak it out loud,” Do says.

    He makes the point through another familiar situation: a boundary has been crossed, but the person affected says nothing. In his account, the unspoken grievance can become bitterness and resentment, whether the relationship involves a parent, partner, coworker, or client.

    The comparison is about the cost of withholding a necessary conversation. Silence does not establish a boundary. Nor does it establish whether a prospective engagement is commercially workable.

    State the concern instead of concealing the distraction. Do's deliberately awkward opening makes the seller's difficulty explicit. The professional explains that uncertainty about budget, deadlines, and scope interferes with concentration, then asks permission to address those subjects first.

    The concerns are concrete:

    • Budget: whether the proposed work is financially feasible for the buyer.
    • Deadlines: whether the required timing can be met.
    • Scope: whether the professional can handle what the project requires.

    These are not embarrassing admissions unrelated to the client's needs. They are conditions the client also needs to understand. Naming them turns a private worry into a shared business discussion.

    That reframing connects the conversation to the professional transition named in Moving from Makers to Entrepreneurs. Here, the immediate responsibility is to discuss the conditions of the work, not only the work itself.

    Do characterizes discomfort around price as a potential sign of poor business acumen. The phrasing is blunt, but the underlying distinction is important: feeling uneasy is one thing; allowing that unease to prevent necessary communication is another.

    A polished performance is not required. His first suggested approach is openly imperfect. It is useful precisely because it replaces the search for an elegant opening with an honest explanation of why the discussion belongs at the beginning.

    The seller does not have to eliminate discomfort before becoming direct. Directness is the behavior available while discomfort is still present.

    A number is not a shared meaning

    Once price is spoken, a different mistake becomes possible. The seller can assume that the number should mean the same thing to the buyer that it means to the person quoting it.

    Do calls the assumption of a universal definition of price and value the central error. A seller can be perfectly clear about the amount and still have no agreement about whether it represents a worthwhile purchase.

    That distinction matters because an objection does not automatically reveal what is wrong. The buyer can be unable to afford the engagement, unconvinced of its value, or reacting to an amount that differs from what was expected. Do's examples move between those possibilities rather than treating every objection as identical.

    The phrase “that's a lot of money” therefore cannot do all the interpretive work the seller assigns to it. It expresses a reaction. It does not necessarily provide a complete explanation of the buyer's circumstances or intentions.

    A price reaction is information, not a verdict on personal worth. Do's instruction is to keep the seller's own emotional response in check while allowing the prospect to have one.

    His demonstration uses a $10,000 price. It is an example of how to handle the exchange, not a recommended fee for a particular service. No defined project accompanies the number, and no calculation is offered to justify it.

    The emphasis falls on what happens immediately after it is stated.

    “Pause. Chill,” Do says. “Let that moment do its thing.”

    He describes the number as an anchor that has been dropped. But the practical instruction is simpler than a negotiating theory: stop speaking long enough for the buyer to respond.

    That pause protects the distinction between presenting an offer and defending against an objection that has not occurred. If the seller immediately fills the silence, the buyer has less room to reveal what the number actually means to them.

    Several responses appear in Do's demonstration:

    • The buyer says the price is unaffordable and ends the discussion.
    • The buyer reacts sharply, then settles into a calmer exchange.
    • The buyer says the amount is substantial but asks to keep exploring its value.

    Those responses call for different conversations. Treating them all as resistance to defeat would erase the information the seller needs.

    The discipline is particularly relevant to the broader subject of The Futur's 99% Of Creatives Lose Money With These Pricing Mistakes. In this exchange, the focus is not on arriving at the number. It is on avoiding an emotional reaction that distorts the discussion once the number is known.

    Do also asks the seller to reverse roles. Someone hiring a specialist without knowing the likely cost is entitled to surprise. The seller's preparation does not obligate the buyer to have arrived at the same expectation.

    That is a useful limit on professional confidence. Confidence permits a clear price. It does not grant control over another person's interpretation of that price.

    The number has been stated. Agreement has not.

    Empathy is not a closing technique

    Do's answer to a harsh price objection is not a stronger pitch. It is an acknowledgment of the buyer's experience. If the amount feels substantial, the seller can recognize that without accepting that the quote was wrong.

    “It should be one of deep empathy,” he says of the response.

    The proposed exchange separates two positions that are often collapsed. A professional can understand why someone does not want to spend the money and still maintain the terms offered. Understanding is not the same as conceding.

    In Do's example, the seller acknowledges that the amount feels high and explains that this is exactly why the subject was raised early. If the buyer sees no value in proceeding, there is little reason to continue the meeting.

    The statement is direct without requiring the buyer to lose an argument. It gives the objection somewhere to go other than escalation.

    Empathy does not require persuasion. That distinction is especially important because an apparently sympathetic response can become another route to pressure. Acknowledging discomfort only to override it is different from allowing the buyer to decide against proceeding.

    The related editorial territory is explicit in Are You Actually Empathetic?. In this pricing conversation, the boundary is practical: respect for the buyer includes respecting an answer the seller does not prefer.

    Do imagines more than one outcome. A prospect can apologize for reacting sharply and return to the discussion. Or the prospect can appreciate the directness, recognize that the engagement will not work, and leave without having invested more time.

    These are illustrative exchanges, not reported client results. Their purpose is to show that a conversation can end without the ending becoming a confrontation.

    Do also rejects the idea that his selling ability depends on using force of personality to make someone buy. Even if pressure produces apparent agreement, he argues, it can leave resentment underneath that agreement.

    The consequences he names occur after the seller believes the difficult part is over:

    • A prospect disappears after giving verbal agreement.
    • A client cancels after work has started.
    • A client refuses to pay after the engagement is underway.

    The transcript does not establish that coercion explains every instance of these problems. Do presents them as risks of moving someone forward when that person does not feel good about proceeding.

    The distinction changes what counts as a successful sales conversation. An immediate yes is not sufficient if it has been extracted from someone who remains unwilling or uncomfortable.

    A seller focused only on agreement can miss that difference. Do directs attention toward whether the buyer actually wants to continue, not merely whether the seller can keep the exchange moving.

    This is not an argument against explaining value. It is an argument against using explanation to disregard refusal.

    In that sense, empathy imposes a limit on the seller. It requires enough restraint to accept that an offer can be valid, the price can remain intact, and the person across the table can still reasonably decline it.

    Permission changes the next move

    The clearest distinction in Do's advice comes after the first objection. A buyer who says the price is substantial but asks to continue has created a different situation from a buyer who says the engagement is out of reach.

    In the first case, the prospect is inviting further discussion. The question of value remains open. In the second, continuing to argue can turn the exchange into the very pressure Do warns against.

    Continue when the buyer invites the conversation. This is the practical hinge between respectful exploration and an unwanted pitch. The seller does not have to infer hidden interest from a refusal when the buyer can express interest directly.

    Do's example is a prospect who acknowledges the expense and asks to see whether the work is worth it. That is permission to explain, explore, and listen. It is not yet agreement to purchase.

    The difference preserves an important middle ground. A strong initial reaction does not have to end the conversation, but neither does it authorize the seller to push through. The next move depends on what the buyer says after reacting.

    By the final stretch of his advice, the practical sequence is clear, though Do does not name it as a formal framework:

    • Raise the commercial concerns early. Bring budget, deadlines, and scope into the open rather than waiting for the end.
    • State the price and allow a response. Use the pause to hear the buyer, not to prepare an immediate defense.
    • Acknowledge the reaction. Recognize the buyer's perspective without treating it as a personal attack.
    • Clarify whether to continue. Explore the concern when there is willingness, and stop pitching when there is not.

    The sequence is valuable because it distinguishes actions the seller controls from outcomes the seller does not. Timing, clarity, listening, and response are available choices. Another person's budget or judgment of value is not something the seller can simply command.

    Do permits direct follow-up questions. The seller can ask what is not right about the offer or what the buyer considers a fair price. Those questions make room for information rather than assuming that the first objection contains the whole answer.

    But asking about a fair price is not, by itself, an instruction to accept that number. The transcript offers it as a way to continue a conversation, not as a rule that the buyer should determine the fee.

    Likewise, asking what feels wrong is different from preparing a rebuttal before the answer arrives. The question only serves its purpose if the seller is willing to hear something that does not lead to a deal.

    That is where the opening problem returns in a different form. Earlier, anxiety prevented the seller from listening. Now, an urgent need to win agreement can do the same thing.

    Both substitute an internal agenda for the conversation actually taking place.

    The useful discipline is to remain responsive to the buyer's stated position. Not the position the seller hopes to uncover. Not the objection a familiar pitch was designed to overcome. The position expressed by the person who must decide whether to proceed.

    The deal cannot be the condition for composure

    Do ends with an attitude he calls “with or without you energy.” The phrase can sound like indifference when separated from the rest of the conversation. Within his argument, it describes the ability to remain steady whether the buyer accepts or declines.

    The seller can want the work without making the buyer responsible for the seller's emotional balance. That is the point of the posture, not a performance of being too important to care.

    Do warns that continuing into pitch mode after a clear rejection can make the professional appear desperate and needy. The problem is not merely appearance. The seller has stopped responding to what the prospect has said and started trying to reverse it.

    There is a difference between staying curious and refusing to stop.

    The former allows a buyer to explain a concern. The latter turns each explanation into another opening for persuasion. Do's permission-based distinction gives the professional a way to tell those behaviors apart.

    This also clarifies the limits of his claim that the outcome cannot be changed. Taken literally, that would sit uneasily beside his own invitation to continue exploring value. The consistent instruction is that the seller should not try to manufacture willingness through pressure.

    A conversation can reveal that the buyer sees a reason to proceed. It can also confirm that the engagement is not suitable. Neither result requires the professional to abandon clarity or empathy.

    What it requires is tolerance for an answer that does not produce revenue.

    That tolerance is not presented as a claim that losing work is easy. The transcript offers no financial cushion, pipeline formula, or guarantee that another client will appear. Its advice concerns behavior inside this exchange: how to speak, how to listen, and when to stop.

    The absence of those guarantees makes the restraint more consequential. Professional conduct cannot depend on knowing that a refusal will be painless.

    The tactical test comes immediately after the number is delivered. A startled buyer creates pressure to explain more, soften the moment, or rescue the possibility of agreement. Do asks for something less theatrical: a pause, an acknowledgment, and attention to what the buyer wants next.

    If the buyer wants to explore value, the conversation has somewhere legitimate to go. If the buyer says the price is entirely beyond reach, continuing the pitch does not make the seller more attentive or more professional.

    It makes the refusal harder to deliver.

    The final challenge is therefore not to become better at making every price sound acceptable. It is to make the terms clear enough that the buyer can give an honest answer, then behave as though that answer is allowed.

    Before another client meeting reaches its closing minutes with money still unmentioned, the professional has a simpler opening available: identify the commercial concerns, explain why they belong up front, and ask to address them.

    Then state the price. Leave room for the reaction. Continue only where there is a conversation to continue.

    The buyer does not owe the seller a yes.

    There's this idea, how you do one thing is how you do everything. So in your world, if everywhere you go, the pricing is transparent, it's up front, and it brings you ease and peace of mind. Why are you then trying to upset the natural order of things by hiding and delaying the pricing conversation? You're only creating anxiety for the buyer and for yourself. There's a theory, and it's maybe a spiritual concept. It's not rooted necessary in the sciences that we understand. But we all, say, have a finite amount of energy. And so when you hold things in, they tend to build up in your body. So when you hold negative ideas, it amplifies in the echo chamber of your mind and your heart. And when you speak them out loud, you release that pressure. So this happens for both good and bad things. So the idea here is if it's bad, you need to speak it. If it's good, you need to hold it because you want good things to multiply and bad things to dissipate. So a lot of us have an unhealthy relationship. So a lot of us have a lot of us have a lot of us have a lot of us have a lot of us have a lot of us have a lot of us have a lot of us have a lot of us have a lot of us have a lot of us have a lot of us have a lot of us have a lot of us. If it's bad, you need to speak it. If it's good, you need to hold it because you want good things to multiply and bad things to dissipate. So a lot of us have an unhealthy relationship with money. We're afraid of our value and our worth. So we don't want to say it out loud because of that emotional context, that frame. So when we hold it inside, it's going to eat us up. It's going to make us doubt ourselves. It's going to affect how we behave in front of other people. It's just going to eat you up inside. So the best way I know how to purge yourself of this negative feeling is to speak it out loud. Just speak it out loud, release it into the world. And that's why it's so difficult for people. We hold on to these things. The classic example is when something bothers you, somebody's crossing the line with you and they're not respecting your boundaries, we want to say something, but we don't. And we hold on to it. And that anger turns into bitterness and then ultimately resentment. You wind up resenting the other person. This could be a child. It could be a parent. It could be a partner. It could be a coworker or even a client. So my best advice for you is if it's negative, get it out there. If it's positive, like you're building your future, don't be so quick to go on social media. I'm building my future. Isn't life great? My best advice for you is if it's negative, get it out there. If it's positive, like you're building your future, don't be so quick to go on social media. I'm building my future, isn't life great? Because that energy is needed for you to actually do that hard work. The question is, when should you talk about money and price? And most of us are so uncomfortable that we wait to the very end and then it's been building up inside of us. Just recall the last time you wanted to talk about money in front of a client and you kept burying it, thinking eventually I'll bring this thing up. And while you're having a conversation with a client, they could be talking about some really important, deep things that you should be paying attention to. And best, you're probably only paying half attention to it because you're wondering to yourself, when should I bring up the topic of money? Can this client afford me? Will they scream or yell because the price is too high or too low? And so this is a distraction for you and you need to be sharp. You need to be fully present. And you can think of this in many different ways. When you're on vacation with your friend, your partner, and they're like, hey, are you here right now? And they snap their fingers, are you here? It's because your mind is literally somewhere else. And so you're physically here, but you're not really present. And you need to be grounded in that moment. So the way we handle this... Because your mind is literally somewhere else. And so you're physically here, but you're not really present. And you need to be grounded in that moment. So the way we handle this is if we tell people up front the things that we're concerned about, then now we can fully focus in on the conversation. I'll tell you the most awkward way to do this, and then we'll ramp it up to a more sophisticated way. You can say something like, I know oftentimes I'm distracted because I'm worried about budget, deadlines, and scope. And it benefits me greatly if we can just speak about this up front, as uncomfortable as it might be for both of us. I find that once we have this discussion, I can really focus in on what you need. Do you mind if we proceed this way? I'm not going to say what? No. I'm going to say yes. Because what you don't realize is in a prospect's mind is they need to know the price. They need to know the deadline. And they need to know if you can handle scope or not. So both of you are dancing around an issue, and they're sitting there thinking to themselves, I wonder if this person is going to be professional enough to bring this up, or they're going to make me say it myself, which I'm not going to do. So it's often a sign of poor business acumen in your discomfort in talking about it. Or they're going to make me say it myself, which I'm not going to do. So it's often a sign of poor business acumen in your discomfort in talking about price. And if you look at everything in your life, everywhere you go, every marketplace, every retail store, every car lot, the price is there for a reason to make sure you feel like you can afford it. Otherwise, it brings up a lot of anxiety. The number one mistake that you can make in pricing or talking about value is to assume we all have some universal definition of price and value. So whenever you float out a price and you describe it, you're going to be met with a variety of reactions. And that's super natural. What's unnatural is your negative emotional response to it. So keep yourself in check here. So if you say, okay, before we go too far, I just need to discuss price with you in order to work with me. It's going to be $10 ,000. Pause. Chill. Let that moment do its thing. The anchor has been dropped. Let them respond. They could say a number of different things, but we're going to address maybe the not so nice reaction to that, which is wow. thing. The anchor has been dropped. Let them respond. They could say a number of different things, but we're going to address maybe the not so nice reaction to that, which is, wow, Chris, that's a lot of money. I can't afford this. Are you crazy? Okay. What should your reaction be? It should be one of deep empathy. This is how I respect you. It's like, I understand it's a lot of money. I understand you think this is too much for what it is. And that's why we have the conversation up front. Because if ultimately you don't see value in proceeding, there's really no point for us to discuss anything further. A neutral objective reaction to an emotional response to a number. Oftentimes then what happens is a person chills out. They're like, whoa, whoa. Okay. Yeah. You know what? I'm so sorry. I shouldn't react that way. Or they can say, you're absolutely right. Thanks for saving a lot of time. I'll think of you next time. I appreciate how frank you are and how direct. I wish everyone was like that. Either way, you cannot change the outcome of this. Either they think and know they can afford this and they think it's valuable or they don't. A lot of people think I have these great persuasive skills that can manipulate people. They can just use force of personality to convince them to buy. or they don't. A lot of people think, I have these great persuasive skills that can manipulate people. They can just use force or personality to convince them to buy. And you might be one of those rare individuals who can move it just by pressure. But what happens is a lot of resentment builds up in the other person. So this could lead to A, them ghosting you after having a verbal agreement. B, canceling after you started, heaven forbid. C, refusing to pay you after you've already started. All those are not good options. So when someone doesn't feel good moving forward, we should not try to coerce them to move forward. We allow them to react in any which way and all reactions are fair. And then we deal with it one step at a time. Now, should they come back and say, look, that's a lot of money for me. But why don't we continue? Let me see if it's worth it. This is an invitation for you to continue. And I don't want to keep continuing unless you feel it's good for us to continue. So there's some weird internal dialogue narrative in your mind based on something you perceive about how this stuff works, mostly fear -based, mostly through your imagination, not through reality, that you have all these kinds of expectations about what somebody can say. Now, I want you to use a little bit. be fear -based mostly through your imagination or through reality, that you have all these kinds of expectations about what somebody can say. Now, I want you to use a little bit of empathy. Put yourself in their shoes. When you go and hire a specialist to do something and you have no idea what things cost, they say a price. Aren't you allowed the freedom to have your own natural reaction to this? Hopefully you handle it with grace, but you could say, you know what? That's crazy. I'm not doing that. Thank you. And at least grateful for them not wasting your time. If they tell you it's completely out of their range and you're crazy, stop talking. Now you're going to into pitch mode and you've seated the higher ground. You seem desperate and needy. It's just to realize the best sales advice I can give to you is to adopt the with or without you energy. I'm good with you. I'm good without you. So if you say it's not right, it's not right. And you can ask the question, what's not right? Or what do you think is a fair price? And you can have a conversation, but I would never go into pitch mode to try to convince them otherwise.
    Download transcript

    Enjoyed this? There’s more where it came from.

    Get insights on pricing, value, and creative business.

    You can unsubscribe anytime. By submitting, you agree to receive communications and to our Privacy Policy.

    “Aren't you allowed the freedom to have your own natural reaction to this?”

    — Chris Do

    Topic
    PRICING

    Share