Are Your Dreams Big Enough? The Power of Visualization After Hours Deep Conversation
Chris Do explains why most people inherit small dreams and shows you how to build a mindset for setting and achieving bigger, more meaningful goals.
Chris Do
Founder, The Futur™ · November 19, 2020
Your Dreams Are Not Your Own
Most of the things you believe are not yours. Your politics, your religion, your work ethic, your very definition of a “good life” were likely handed to you by parents who loved you and wanted the best for you.
They gave you a life plan born from their own experiences. A plan designed for safety, not for scale. They taught you to work hard, pay your dues, and find comfort in the nine-to-five. It was a good plan for them. But it may not be the right plan for you.
Chris Do, founder of The Futur, argues we inherit a “dream small” mentality. “You're not even aware what they gave you,” he explains. “You can just take a quick look and ask yourself what city do you live in? What religion do you practice? What political party do you affiliate yourself with? All of a sudden you're going to realize that is all pretty much from my parents.”
These beliefs become so ingrained we rarely question their origin. Do points to a famous bit by comedian Bill Burr, who skewers the arbitrary nature of faith by comparing the story of Christianity to Scientology. Burr notes that to an outsider, the idea of an immaculate conception sounds just as strange as L. Ron Hubbard’s sci-fi cosmology. The only difference is cultural inheritance.
“Why is it that we don't use the same standards of investigation, of seeking truth?” Do asks. “It's because we just accepted these things to be true.”
The Estate Sale of the Mind
Imagine your parents pass away. You arrive at their home to find a lifetime of accumulated possessions. A garage packed with things they kept for sentimental reasons. You, however, do not share that emotional attachment.
You must perform an audit. You judiciously sort through everything, keeping a few items with genuine meaning and discarding the rest. You decide what you’re willing to take into your own life because you understand that every item you keep takes up space. It is a necessary and objective process.
“So why haven't we done that same kind of auditing and that same kind of decision making that's objective with our ideas?” Do challenges. The beliefs you inherited are like the contents of that garage. They served a purpose for someone else, in another time. They are not automatically yours to carry.
Their life plan was designed to protect you from the struggles they faced, like choosing between food and rent. It’s a game plan baked into your DNA. But at a certain point, you awaken. You realize you have a choice.
“When you turn whatever age that may be… you wake up one day you realize everything that I think about now I have a choice to keep or to get rid of, just like the estate sale,” he says.
Blaming your parents for your limited ambition is convenient, but it’s a refusal to take accountability. It frames you as a victim, an automaton with no agency over your own thoughts. A far more powerful stance is to acknowledge their influence but declare your independence.
The moment you decide to change, you change. If you were raised to be an early riser but decide it no longer serves you, the day you sleep in is the day you are no longer an early riser. It is that simple, and that profound.
Do points to his guest, Rodrigo Tasca, a filmmaker from Brazil. “You're a vegetarian. Were you raised vegetarian?” he asks. Tasca confirms he was not. Brazilians, he notes, eat a lot of meat. His change came after working on a documentary and seeing things he couldn’t unsee. He made a conscious decision to stop participating in a tradition his family and culture practiced.
“Once you decided ‘I don't want to do this anymore,’ that you're no longer comfortable participating in habits and traditions of your forefathers and parents, you're done,” Do observes. You have the power to make that same clear decision about every aspect of your life. Your ambition is no exception.
From Empty Dreams to Actionable Goals
The conversation shifts from why we dream small to how we dream bigger. But Do is quick to refine the question. It’s not about dreaming bigger. It’s about setting bigger goals.
“A goal is a dream with a plan,” he states. “You could sit here and like, ‘Chris, I'm the world's biggest dreamer… me and Kanye, I’m gonna be an Oprah.’ Frankly, that's a dream, and dreams are kind of empty. What's your plan?”
Without a plan, you are simply trafficking in wishes. The critical step is to break the dream down. Did you break it down into what you need to do this year? This quarter? This week? This hour?
If you don’t know those answers, you don’t have a goal. You have a daydream.
Do offers a powerful metaphor. Your goal is your compass. Your hustle is your velocity.
“With a lot of hustle… you could be going 100 off in the wrong direction,” he warns. The direction matters more than the speed. He recalls reading about how a plane leaving the West Coast for the East Coast would end up hundreds of miles off course if its trajectory was off by a single degree.
Your target must be clear. This is where the work begins.
- Vision Casting: Even if you don't know exactly how to get there, you must know what “there” looks like. Paint a picture of your destination.
- Clarity and Specificity: Your goal must be clear, concrete, and specific. Vague aspirations like “be successful” are useless.
- Articulation: You must be able to articulate your goal clearly, first to yourself and then to others.
This process of clarification is essential for building belief, both in yourself and in those around you. When you speak about your goal, others can see it. They can tell by the spark in your eye and the conviction in your voice whether you truly believe it’s possible. “You can almost always tell,” Do says, “because there's a hesitation and a way of phrasing it in his tone.”
If you don’t even believe in your own goal, it's already dead.
The High-Fidelity Future
How do you build that unwavering belief? You visualize. Not as a passive daydream, but as an active, deliberate practice.
“I could see my future already,” Do reveals, “and that's why sometimes when it happens, I'm pleasantly surprised, but I feel like it's déjà vu because I visualized it.”
He points to elite athletes who mentally rehearse every moment of a competition. They see themselves entering the arena, eyeing their opponent, and executing the winning move. They visualize the victory down to the specific strike in a specific round. They see themselves celebrating in the locker room afterward. The event becomes a memory before it even happens.
This is the level of clarity you must bring to your own goals. Paint the most vivid, high-fidelity image you can in your mind. Then, you must articulate it.
Here’s a simple framework:
- Visualize It: Create a detailed mental movie of your future success. See yourself in the environment, performing the actions, feeling the emotions.
- Articulate It: Write it down in a journal or, even better, declare it publicly. Use your platform, whether it’s a YouTube channel or a conversation with a mentor, to state your intention.
- Create a Plan: Announce the steps you will take to get there. This transforms the dream into a project.
- Report Your Progress: Commit to updating your community on your progress. This creates accountability.
“You would think we're really motivated as human beings to do the things we promise ourselves,” Do explains, “but actually, we're more motivated by not letting other people down that we care about.” External accountability is a powerful force. Declaring your goal publicly enlists others in your success and makes it harder to quit. This strategy is central to what many successful people do, a topic often explored in discussions around building a personal brand.
The final component of a powerful goal is fear. Your goal must stretch you. It has to include something that scares you, something that requires you to transform who you are today to achieve it tomorrow.
“You're going to have to face your demons and slay your own dragons,” Do insists. “That's how you know there's some component of risk and fear, and therefore on the other side of that is growth.”
The Architecture of Ambition
Even with a clear, scary goal, many people get stuck. The sheer size of the ambition can be paralyzing. How do you move forward when the destination seems impossibly far away?
The answer is simple: Success leaves clues.
“Think about a person or company or brand or an agency that's in your space right now, somebody who's really far ahead of you,” Do instructs. “Imagine them right now. That's the king or queen of whatever it is that you hope to do one day. That's your North Star.”
Don’t look at the person three steps ahead of you. Look at the person at the top of the mountain. Then, instead of being crushed by the distance, you reverse engineer their journey. The internet has made this easier than ever. Their entire history is likely documented online.
Do lays out the process:
- Rewind the Tape: Go back to year one of their career. Find their earliest work, their first blog posts, their first videos. See them fumbling.
- Study Chronologically: Watch every video and read every article they’ve produced in the order it was created. You will see their evolution in real-time. They are dropping clues for you everywhere.
- Identify Their Influences: Figure out who they studied. “If you study who it is that you want to emulate and you study who they studied, that's going to get you even closer to the source code,” Do says.
This process demystifies success. It breaks down a monumental achievement into a series of achievable steps. It’s like being in a dojo with a master who teaches you breathing and stance before you ever throw a punch. It’s like a video game where each level provides the skills needed to beat the next, slightly harder, mini-boss.
In life, you are the game designer. You set the levels for yourself. For some, this is debilitating. For others, it’s the ultimate form of empowerment.
The View From Above
To accelerate this process, you must learn to see the world differently. It’s not enough to just be in the experience; you must learn to observe it from a higher level.
Do calls this developing an “outer body experience.” He encourages his team to stop thinking only as participants and start thinking like producers. When you are in a room, don’t just listen to what’s being said. Step outside yourself and analyze the entire situation.
“Try to see it from my point of view,” he suggests. “Try to see it from Franklin's point of view, or what Jonah and Ricky are doing… Float above it and say, ‘What is going on?’”
This is the shift from being a player to being a strategist. When Do was a young designer, he didn’t just present his work. He studied his bosses' reactions. He tried to anticipate their concerns and imagine how they would present his work to their clients. This elevated perspective allowed him to ask better questions.
This is how you move from being the hands in the operation to being the mind. Moving from a junior role to a leadership position often involves understanding not just your task, but the entire context of the business, a challenge many creatives face as they transition from freelancer to agency owner.
“I would judge a person and their potential by the quality of the questions they ask, period,” Do states. The quality of your questions signals the level of your thinking. Are you asking about the lens on the camera, or are you asking about the emotion of the scene? The first is a question from a technician. The second is a question from a director.
By practicing this elevated perspective, you begin to learn at an exponential rate. You are no longer just having one experience. You are having multiple, layered experiences at once.
Reprogram Your Inner Critic
Even with a big goal and a clear plan, many are held back by an internal voice of criticism. A feeling of “I could be doing more” that, instead of empowering, brings judgment and shame.
Do argues this voice is not productive. “That's not coming from a place of growth and encouragement,” he says. “That's coming from a place of judgment and probably criticism.” The first step is to identify whose voice it really is. Often, it’s an echo of a parent, a teacher, or a past failure.
Then, you must reframe the emotion. You need to judo-flip the negative feeling into a positive one. This is not easy. It’s a process of reprogramming your mind.
Do explains this with an analogy from medicine. He describes hearing that a drug like Tylenol only works because the body already produces the chemical it contains. The drug simply supplements a natural process. Similarly, the placebo effect demonstrates the mind’s power to heal the body by believing in a cure, triggering the body to produce what it needs.
“I present to you, like, I'm Tylenol,” Do says. “It's not effective on you if you don't already have the thing that matches inside.”
If his words resonate, it’s because a part of you already knew they were true. An idea dormant within you was waiting for a catalyst. The challenge now is to associate the feeling of “wanting more” not with self-criticism, but with hunger and excitement. This is a journey of personal development, similar to the one explored in How Words Shape Your Reality.
Do finds energy in challenge. “That challenge, that fire, the do-or-die situations… force me to get out of that suit of complacency and comfort,” he admits. It forces him to read the book he was putting off, to watch the movie with intention, to grow into the person required by the goal.
You must learn to love the process. You must find joy in the climb, not just the view from the summit.
Ultimately, you are in charge. The situation you find yourself in today is a result of the decisions you made yesterday. A former business coach told Do something he never forgot: there are no victims, just volunteers.
Whatever your circumstances, you have volunteered for them. You chose to stay in the bad relationship. You chose to accept the comfortable job. You chose to believe the small dreams you inherited.
This is not a condemnation. It is an empowerment.
If you chose your way in, you can choose your way out. You have the agency. The question is no longer whether you can dream bigger. The question is whether you will finally choose to.
TRANSCRIPT
we're gonna make more content it's been a little while since we've done one of these after hour sessions and usually it's with the crew with jonah and ricky but today since they're here i'm gonna introduce you guys to the rest of the after hours crew at least for today so on my left
is my ismail he goes by moe ismai this is uh chris franklin over here what's up chris with the deep voice and then rodrigo tosca is it tasks yeah from from brazil that's correct and he's here and you might you may have seen these people just not that long ago less than 24
hours ago we were here and we're back at it so this is the format we're going to do some kind of informal conversation none of this is scripted so bear with us and for those of you that can't stand watching a really long live stream without a clear point with time stamp i
suggest you skip this video right now and the parts that are good the team will come back and edit and drop very bite size pieces but if you enjoy these kind of like campfire discussions these fireside chats that's what the intent is so i don't know what we're going to talk about but
i'm ready for you whoever has something that they want to bring up it could be a follow-up to a question and also we'll be monitoring your comments in a little bit on youtube because that's where we're streaming to ricky's got us he's raised his hand there and moe you want to kick it
off you you seem like you're pitching to say something before no no before we started i think franklin okay don't move too much go ahead absolutely so yeah we had a conversation earlier where basically you were telling us that we inherited this mindset of dreaming too small and that kind of resonated with
me because over the past 11 months i haven't been very forward thinking i've been trying to you know keep it contained and keep the day-to-day going because the future can be a bit unpredictable so with today's climate and alongside with basically me coming out of like a partnership where we were dreaming super
super far now i'm like in the mindset of dreaming small and immediate and the future can't be you know too two in my hands i should say so i basically would like to say i need help to dream bigger because you were the examples that you gave of yourself and the things that
you talked about were really inspiring and they made me realize that i i was satisfied with the pace i was going and that i thought that good enough was good enough but how do you dream bigger with all of these external factors going on okay great thanks for helping to kick off the
conversation i want to give everybody some context as to what the heck we're talking about because they're not privy to the hours of dialogue we had on sunday and then yesterday and all the other conversations we have in between the first thing that you mentioned was that we inherited this dream small mentality
and some people are going to take offense to me even suggesting that that's not literally what i said that's the net takeaway i'm not disagreeing with that but let me just say this like when you were born and raised and hopefully you were raised by parents who loved you who cared for you
and want the best for you they by example by virtue of what they do and what they say they're giving you life plan some of it is overt and some of it is implied and so you may have parents who believe in the american dream of working hard paying your dues and putting
your nose to the grindstone and living a good life working nine to five and then planning for the weekends in terms of barbecues and get-togethers the weekend warriors if you will and they gave you a lot of this and you're not even aware what they gave you and you can just take a
quick look and ask yourself what city do you live in what religion do you practice if you practice religion what political party do you affiliate yourself with and all of a sudden you're going to realize that is all pretty much from my parents the reason why i think there's so much negative discourse
that's going on in such a polarized climate especially if you live here in america between whether you're a republican or a democrat a far-right person or a liberal whether you're of this faith or that faith and the interesting thing is i heard i think it was bill burr who talked about this he
said religion is a pretty stupid concept if you really think about it and he's like you know you guys know about scientology and how a guy named ron founder of religion and you can't take any religion seriously by a guy named ron and how like there are people from xanthar who are going
to come in a spaceship and we listen to this and the crowd is erupting in laughter and disbelief he goes here's the thing it's just as we get older we become really cynical we become really skeptical and that sounds like a crazy fairy tale but he said if you weren't raised christian and
somebody told you a woman gave birth to a god's son from immaculate conception you would laugh them out the door too and why is it that we don't use the same standards of investigation of seeking truth it's because we just accepted these things to be true here's the other thing i want to
kind of share with you guys is this is that one day i mean if you should have the good fortune to live longer than your parents you take care of yourself you don't die of unnatural causes they'll pass away and if you're the only child they're going to hopefully leave a will where
you inherit all their stuff you might inherit their house their cars whatever else they've acquired and accumulated throughout their life they can't do anything with it once they're they've passed so they're going to leave it to you and then you get a call from your attorney who tells you hey there's an inheritance
here and when you go through some paperwork but you get all this stuff you arrive at their house and you open the garage door and it's just packed with stuff you didn't realize in the years in which you've not lived at home your parents have become pack rats they've accumulated things they've become
hoarders and you now have the difficult and emotional task of emptying things and getting rid of things you don't need another house you don't need another car to like maintain and keep up and there's a lot of stuff that your parents kept for sentimental reasons they have an emotional attachment to those things
that you clearly do not so you're going to go through and very judiciously sort out a few things that have meaning to you maybe that you want to pass on to your children to keep the family tradition alive but the rest of it you're going to give away estate sale you're just going
to get rid of it because you don't need more stuff right right that makes sense you're going to actively decide what you want to take on and everything that you take on means you have less space in your current house or apartment you're going to do that that seems very clear to you
so why haven't we done that same kind of auditing and that same kind of decision making that's objective saying these are ideas my parents had it worked for them but they don't work for me that's their religion that's their political party and that's the way they see the world it was good for
them but i don't want that anymore so part of this is that they want for you not to suffer they want to make sure you're not starving fighting to make ends meet maybe they have had those moments themselves where they had to decide between food and rent and that's a very very tough
situation to be in and so they give you this game plan and it just becomes baked into your dna and for a while you don't have a lot of choice because you're not fully formed as an adult who's has an awareness to your to your own mind but when you do when you
turn whatever age that may be some sometimes it's earlier 15 years old sometimes later like in your earlier mid-20s and you wake up one day you realize everything that i think about now i have a choice to keep or to get rid of just like the estate sale right and so it is
convenient for us to tell ourselves a story that this is how it was made my multiple generations my family have believed this and therefore i blame my parents for giving me this thing but that's not taking accountability for who you are and not saying you have agency over your thoughts and actions which
is a horrible way to think of yourself like you're some automaton like somebody's pulling strings nobody wants to see themselves like that so when you come to that realization that you need to be accountable for everything that you are today moving forward not to say that your parents didn't have some responsibility but
looking to the past as i found out doesn't help you today that won't will not help you tomorrow you got to make the decision so let's say you're an early riser and you you decide i don't want to do that anymore it's not really good for me i want to get up at
10 o'clock 10 a.m and the day that you decide to do that and follow through with that is the day that you no longer are an early riser take that idea and apply to everything in your life rodrigo you're a vegetarian were you raised vegetarian do your parents eat meat uh dater knowledge
is right man brazilians we ate a lot of meat lots of meat a lot of really delicious meats by the way yeah uh the thing for me was i worked on a short documentary about like what happens in the animal stuff and i saw things that i was like i can't you can't
unsee and i knew about it my sister was a vegan for like two or three years i made like a lot of fun of her like i really gotta eat in a burger in front of her [Laughter] and like later on i was like wow i was so insensitive to this like i
knew about it but i just didn't really want to open up until i saw it for myself and then i couldn't go back in my mind right so you illustrated something perfectly for me is that once you decided i don't want to do this anymore that you're no longer comfortable participating in habits
and traditions of your four fathers and parents you're done and you made that decision so of all the things in your life are you that clear it's a rhetorical question i just want you to think about it i want everybody who's listening to this to think and ask themselves that same kind of
question is everything you decide like if your favorite type faces caslon why is it caslon probably because your your favorite instructor used casual until dude has the best typeface or maybe it's times new roman because it just turns out that it's the default typeface and you are used to just using things by
default the de facto standard right you're not committed to any of that the beautiful thing about the human mind and our so-called journey of life here is you could change your mind you could be raised a republican and then decide to be a democrat or vice versa you could follow one faith and
decide another faith or no faith at all and that's the most beautiful thing that we have is that we can change our mind and changing our mind should be celebrated more than it is in current culture when when people change their mind today they're attacked for being inconsistent or double speak it's like
i can change my mind many times and and that's how we grow so let's get back to the real question that was the context for the conversation the real question is how do i begin to change my mind about dreaming bigger now where's my phone on now i do want to say something
here i'm not here to judge whether or not you have a big enough or small enough dream and you said how do we dream bigger and i'm not encouraging you necessarily and i want to be more precise with my language now not necessarily just dream bigger because you need to have bigger goals
and a goal is a dream with a plan so you could sit here and like chris i'm the world's biggest dreamer you can't believe it me and kanye i'm gonna be an oprah and you'll see me running for the president of the united states soon frankly that's a dream and dreams are kind
of empty so what's your plan like you and your former partner we won't mention his name at this point in time he's dead to you but you have you have big dreams sucks you have big dreams but how much of it did you put in to planning and executing right did you break
it down into quarters like four quarters a year did you break it down to months then things you had to do every week and down to the day and down to the hour did you know what it is that you need that you needed to do because if you don't then you just
have a dream and dreams are kind of nice but they won't get you anywhere so let's talk about your own specific goal so you so let's refine the question the question would be then how do i know if my goal is going to push me enough that i know i'm not just being
complacent we don't want to just be okay right you know me i've talked about this a lot my feeling this is just my feeling i believe this that if we stop growing we start dying in every aspect except for our waistline if we stop growing we start dying because that's it because life
to me is about the pursuit of growth about this insatiable curiosity that never gets filled because you feel one bucket and you realize there's 35 more buckets the more i learn the more i learn that i don't know anything and that's why i love learning and i get to apply that let's talk
about your your specific goal do you know what it is and do you know how you feel about your goal without saying the specific goal do you know what your goal is like where you want to be in one year three years and five years from now to that extent i don't okay
i can't say i have you know small tangible and financial goals that i want to hit for next year yeah um but that's that's kind of where it's kind of where it stopped for me okay so let's do this realize something and here goes some mixed metaphors potentially and i could get in
trouble is that your goal is your compass your hustle is the velocity with a lot of hustle and i know that a lot of people think about hustle and grind culture and to celebrate it to a degree you do need some of that to be able to work hard for your goals but
without the direction of that compass you could be going 100 off in the wrong direction i've read in a book i can't remember which book now where if you set a destination from the west coast where we are today in santa monica to the east coast and let's just say it's 37 degrees
and you go 38 degrees instead of 37 you'll be hundreds of miles off course you probably won't even know where the heck you are that matters a lot so sitting down with somebody that somebody could just be yourself and saying where do i see myself yesterday we talked about vision casting to kind
of say okay i don't know exactly how to get there but i know what their looks like and that's really important so if we were to go around this room and ask every single person where is there where do you want to be it should be clear it should be fairly concrete it
should be very should be fairly specific i know where i want to be i could tell you i could see my future already and that's why sometimes when it happens i'm pleasantly surprised but i feel like it's deja vu because i visualized it and it's important and a lot of sports people athletes
they do this visualization seeing themselves walk into the ring circling around the cage eyeing their opponent bowing nodding and then just tearing them apart and they even say it'll happen in the second round and it'll be this kind of strike it'll be an elbow to the side of the head and it'll be
a kale victory they see themselves being applauded and celebrated and walking out victorious and celebrating in the locker room that's how clear they see it so when they see people walking into the ring and you'll see the commentators say this something is off doesn't have that spark that killer instinct it's that fighter
arrived in the ring defeated now we all can look at each other we can all look at each other right well we can say mo is going to like tell you some big goal of his and you can tell by the way he says it that spark in his eye the quickening of
his pulse the white knuckling of his fists whether he really wants it or not it's like he doesn't even believe in his own goal he's saying it as an external thing to make you think he's going to go somewhere but internally he already knows it's not going to happen and that's what we
can see as the objective friend looking at it without judgment saying like oh i i don't think he believes that and you can tell you can almost always tell because there's a hesitation and a way of him phrasing it in his tone that you can tell so if you don't have that clear
goal chris you could just be really lucky that you get there and then you will falsely attribute your amazing planning to that so my whole thing for all of you is visualize where you want to go to paint the most vivid high fidelity image that you can in your mind and then articulate
that in any which way you can and you make videos so you could say it in your video like say here's where i see myself heading in five years i want my community you all to hold me accountable for this here's how i plan to get there these are the steps that i'll
be taking and i'll be reporting back to you each and every quarter how i'm doing i'm going to fail i'm going to take the wrong direction i'm going to make mistakes hang in there with me don't give up on me because i won't give up on myself and then you go so you
have to be able to visualize it it has to be clear in your mind you have to be able to articulate that and if you don't make videos you can just write in a journal like this is really what i want and then share that with somebody because here's the thing you would
think we're really motivated as human beings to do the things we promise ourselves but actually we're more motivated by not letting other people down that we care about than we are about living up to our own promise mo is going to talk about this in a second i believe i feel it right
right this is kind of what you need to set for yourself so my thing for you is whatever your goal is at least include a couple things in there that scare the heck out of you that you have to transform in order for that goal to happen that's that's the tricky part of
goal setting it has to stretch you in in the way that you look at the world maybe your work ethic maybe how you take care of yourself maybe the books that you have to read or you're going to have to face your demons and slay your own dragons that's how you know there's
some component of risk and fear and therefore on the other side of that is growth you got to do that so i get what you're saying right now you do you don't sound like it you see the way he phrased that watch where this goes i already can tell you where it's going
where it's going to go chris you're right it's so hard yeah but it just feels like yeah it is a hard yeah but it is it is isn't it is it say we do it come on you're always right you're not quiet um no so i feel like we're franklin is that right
like i so like the whole visioning of where the business is gonna go it's not something that's out of you know sight for me for me the big thing is to dream bigger like when i heard you talking about the things that you want to do the day like me and more walking
back to the airbnb were like whoa like the stuff that chris is talking about doing or things i never thought about like even doing in my life and and then yesterday you know when you're like when we're leaving here you're like hey you guys have any questions about the setup or anything like
that we're like no i didn't think anything of it until i got home and i was like was that chris testing us about how the stuff works here so we can use this gear to shoot something because he's like take advantage of the things all these different possibilities so when i got here
today i was like yo guys can i pull the white board and like take it but when i talk to you about it you're like don't that wasn't it but at least for me that wasn't it that wasn't it yeah good try but it sparked something in me right so i was like
what's a bit like let me think of something bigger than me doing that white board and i don't know for me and i don't know just because being like an immigrant and things like that is a mindset would like you know i've always just looked to try to reach things or within my
grasp and like i want to do something bigger than that now but it's like i just don't know you know how to tap into that okay i mean i don't know he's like i don't know how you went from like you know going from starting blind to the future and then talking about
these different things like what is like that pivot because you talk about you know one degree off you're talking about hundreds of miles off it's like how do we you know find which where we should be going yeah so here's the thing uh before i answer your long observation and a short question
in there i do want to answer to the people who are tuning in live this is live you guys what's up what's up this is totally live because you know how because i'm reading your comments right now it's totally live and there are 291 people in it okay so just hang out with
us we're going to talk i'm not going to pay too much attention to what's going in the chat because ricky's going to do that for me and he'll find appropriate times to like flag me and let me know what's up okay i also can see jonah there with his hands up with the
wrench i don't know what the wrench means jonah but oh is that what it means the wrench is the moderator dang he just upgraded his status there i love that beautiful very nice okay now let's get back to your thing let's talk about a couple of things let's break it down one of
the things i want to help you develop a skill set of is not over complicating what it is you want to say don't do the big build up don't do compounded questions because the weird thing is the person who's standing in front of you might choose to answer the wrong question that you
actually had so just go straight to it it's going to help you out a lot yesterday when i asked you after we finished wrapping as we often do we'll say okay let's review let's let's see how things went but because you guys were here jonah ricky myself we really didn't get to do
that and we spoke and but but before i left i said do you guys have any questions about what just transpired so what i want you to start to train your mind to experience this right now is rodrigo sitting in that ames lounge chair it's a beautiful chair it's it's really nice so
don't mess it up it's really nice it is really nice to break the chat right it's a nice chair and so you're there and then once you start to master just being present as to who you are and listening to what's going on and not thinking about what's happening tomorrow what happened yesterday
i want you to step outside of your own body to to kind of travel an astral plane with me and look at this room try to see it from my point of view try to see it from franklin's point of view or what jonah and ricky are doing it's hard to do but
you can do it if you make the practice of this to kind of have this outer body experience so when i ask you these kinds of questions like do you have any questions about what we just did you were still experiencing as hard rigo you weren't experiencing like if i had to run
this production one day i want to know what we're talking about here so you're going to elevate yourself just kind of not in terms of value but elevate yourself in terms of point of view to float above it and say what is going on and if you can develop this for yourself you're
going to be able to learn not one time but maybe one and a half times or two times as much as hodrigo was going to experience and this is what i do so when i was working for people i did my job which was to do design work but i was watching them
watching me and trying to figure out how is he or she going to respond to my work what are they doing are they searching for words are they gonna just slap the or smash the sledgehammer on my face and say this is all garbage and just brush it off the table what are
they gonna do i'm studying their communication style i'm looking at what they're thinking about because i'm imagining in my mind now what it's going to be like for them to take this work that i've done and to go present it to their client their bosses and i wanted to kind of get a
feel for that so that would then prompt me to ask certain questions like do you feel good about the work that was done now it's not even my work i'm trying to step to the side and not look at them but look at the problem together it's like what are you missing what
are you looking for what do you think will sell what do you think they'll say how would they respond that's the kind of level of thinking i'm talking about so you want to also make the deliberate practice of doing something like that and then you're going to start to see yourself float this
is how you get to go from the person doing the work to the person who's in charge of other people doing the work because you're asking those higher level questions you've heard me say something like just before i would judge a person and their potential by the quality of the questions they ask
period so your goal in life is to learn how to ask better questions because you're going to communicate to the person i'm somebody that you should take notice of i'm not here just to do the work i'm not here just to be the hands in the operation i'm good at that i enjoy
doing that but i'm gonna help to think this through on a higher level and you know when you've hired people in the past rodrigo that they don't just show up and like what kind of lens you want what kind of body do you want on the camera they're going to ask you like
tell me more about the environment what's the vibe we're going for are there any references and then you step back and like whoa that dp they got something going on she's got it going on she's somebody i need to take care of because we together can grow and i need smart people like
that to anticipate the next steps to see beyond what is materially present right in front of them does that make sense it does okay i haven't even gotten to your question yet this is good okay this is good let's get to your question though what is your question it's just about dreaming bigger
i mean it i don't know i feel like you know to a certain extent i'm really fortunate enough that i got to come to america and become a citizen all these different things and you know sometimes i feel like i could be doing more you know i mean just of what i can
achieve but stop there then this idea of wanting to do more feeling like that what's the emotion that's attached to this observation is it one where you feel like you're beating yourself up like oh i could be doing more or so i could be doing more does it empower you or does this
does it make you feel bad that you're not working as much as you you'd like to to work what's the emotion assigned around that honestly speaking the first one that's what i suspected so that's not a good voice inside your head that's the inner voice that is being critical of not being satisfied
with what you have okay that's not coming from a place of growth and encouragement that's coming from a place of judgment and probably criticism now you have to ask yourself even though you believe it to be your voice whose voice is that that's saying that to you do you know it sounds like
moe you're gonna say that you're gonna say it's me honestly i don't know because in the same situation i'm very fortunate with my mom that her dad my grandpa shouted your grandpa in brazil um you know he made my mom go to school get a degree that she did not want and when
she graduated school she was like hey here's your diploma so with me you know she's always been like hey you know do what you want to make sure you're doing something that you love and she's always been very supportive of that it's like i wouldn't say it's it was my mom most of
it honestly it's kind of you but it's just like because i think you see the potential in us and it's one of those things of like you know i don't want to just be happy that i'm in the building like i want to be doing something more and i don't know but it's
not like i'm letting myself down okay okay hold on i'm going to challenge a couple of things yes you mentioned her mom you did not mention your father i won't go there i'll leave it to you to figure out how you want to talk about that so you're saying i'm just going to
check can you guys make sure we're like keeping each other honest in this room is if you never met me you're the happiest guy in the world and you're just gonna do what you're gonna do and you're gonna be okay with that no i can't believe that see so i don't believe i
have the power to make you feel or think anything that you don't want to feel or think you know this if i say something and you feel it it's because you knew it was there and you let that idea in you invited that idea in now i learned something about medicine which i
did not know about before and you know how they say we have to save the rain forest we're talking about brazil so save the rainforest because all the medicines 99 of the medicines come from botanicals or animals within the rainforest and that's how we discover things and here's the really interesting thing about
science and medicine they say that when you take um a tylenol for your headache then your body already produces the chemical that's in that tylenol like what the only reason why the tylenol works is because they figured out how to to artificially reproduce that same chemical and if your body didn't know it
it would not work that was shocking to me that's crazy it is pretty crazy if you really think about it so they say that people who take a placebo even though they have real like diseases like cancer they take the placebo and they cure themselves of cancer because they believe enough in whatever
it is that they're taking that's why placebos work 50 of the time for serious medical issues that when they take the placebo their mind starts to say we're going to feel better we're going to heal ourselves the cancer is in remission and they start to produce more of whatever it is that they
need to produce and the reason why we have these maladies and these illnesses is because our bodies stop producing that people i don't know on any kind of medical level so i'm probably going to get in trouble people who suffer from depression don't produce enough of the happy chemical in their brain so
they have to be artificially creating that why did i tell you all that stuff well i present to you like i'm tylenol it's not effective on you if you don't already have the thing that matches inside so something deeper inside of you that was like little rigo running around in the brazilian jungles
he already knew he learned from his environment from a parent from a teacher somebody influential somebody you cared about somebody that you needed the approval of that was there and oftentimes it remains buried and dormant inside of you and you don't recognize it as such and doing deep inner work talking to therapists
and and and people that are psychologists and professionals i start to learn about this and it starts to become very clear to me most of the people who are these like self-help gurus they understand this about how your mind works and they help you reframe and associate this feeling with something else allowing
you to be unlocked okay this is a lot of deep stuff that we're talking about that's why it's after hours hanging there okay so this exists within you some rando asian dude says this to you that you have never met before through the internet and you're like huh i think i feel this
and then you say i wouldn't feel this way if it wasn't for you chris i'm like no i think you feel this way i'm pretty sure now that we know that that's the connection i believe now we can work towards the solution okay i need you to judo flip this negative emotion from
oh i'm just it's not enough to it's not enough because it's hard for us to feel enthusiastic to feel motivated to show up every day when the thing that we know we need to do we have a strong negative emotion attached to it it's like you're trying to swim but there's a five
pound anchor on your leg you can fight it for a long time but eventually it's going to take you down so we need to reprogram the mind okay i don't have the skill or the training to do that 100 percent but i'm just telling you that's what needs to be done so i
want more for you because i want you to have all that you're going to earn not that you deserve but that you earn i see the potential in you in the kind of neuroplasticity of your mind how open you can be and how quick you're to apply things that you've learned how quick
you are to cast away the old ideas when you hear a superior idea and that to me says you're a critical thinker who's open to new ideas that is the bedrock of people that i think are highly coachable now you could be the same drego sitting in front of me and be dense
as a doorknob thick as a brick wall i'm not going to invest my energy in you because i already know you have too much invested in keeping static with who you were to ever move forward there's a lot of people come and ask me for advice and i say don't be an ask
whole right ask whole is to ask for a piece of advice and never to do anything because you're only looking for advice that aligns with what you already believe i don't believe you're that kind of person i probably would not spend this kind of time with you if i i thought you were
i've seen the little bits that you do yeah and i'll tell you guys don't know this but i had a workshop for two people guess who one of the two people were this guy rodrigo he jumped on a plane from miami flew out here to do the workshop so what turned out to
be a lack of poor promotion on our part and follow through turned out i think to be a benefit where i basically trained two people where it should have been 50 people it was two people this is a guy who consistently keeps showing up right when you hear something that's happening he's on
the plane the reason why i'm talking the two of you and there's no coincidence of the two of you are here is i just produced a workshop at art center it wasn't even me headlining and next thing i know you guys are like we're out for mississippi we're going to be there i'm
like what the frick are you guys doing it was the chance you're right you see what i'm saying it's like hundreds maybe thousands of other people found out about the same thing only two people jumped on actually it's more than two people but three i was there you were there too damn i
don't care this guy's did you know him back then no i didn't oh my god we found out that he was there guacamole what a weird small world so is it any coincidence that the three very people that are spending november pre-thanksgiving with me on a weird lockdown coronavirus shut down life are
the same three people who showed up for an event that did not even headline now you can say you believe in chances and miracles and coincidences but i don't i believe each and every one of you set this intention and whether you convinced him or he convinced you you both said yes because
you wouldn't be here nobody held a gun to your head right isn't that weird right so maybe you guys are three of the four apocalypse of the you know the horsemen of the apocalypse i don't know pretty diverse we don't know those horse riders right [Laughter] right so that's where i think drigo
if you have a positive emotion so my wife always wonders this about me i'm sure she's watching she always wonders like why do you keep doing this to yourself because that challenge that fire the the the do-or-die situations and the moments i put myself into forced me to get out of that suit
of complacency and comfort and it forces me to change to become who i am it forces me to read that book which i wasn't gonna read it forces me to watch that movie with intention like i don't have time to give so i'm gonna give three hours this binge watching i need to
pull less from this and that's why we dropped a better call saw episode and we're going to drop one for breaking bad and then mad men and every other series i've seen because i need to cash in on that investment of time queens gambit soon soon my friend see what i'm saying i
do so you need to be able to change your emotion around this thing because if you don't feel good about it you're not going to do it like if you don't feel good about going to the gym you do a couple of curls and like i'm done you know with 10 pound weights
i don't know he knows why i'm just i'm just getting in the room it's all right i'm just scanning the room is all you know what i mean that when it gets hard and it's like you're tired and you're sweaty and you're like oh i've done enough because you don't enjoy it you
know you have to learn to love the process not so much the results but the process all right let's move on we'll come back to you if we need to okay i'm good all right i want to expand on this a little bit because the original question was like how do i dream
bigger and then it turned into like how do i have bigger goals i know them both well and myself well enough i think we do dream big and i think we do have big goals and when we have the dialogue with ourselves we say dang that's a pretty big goal you know what
i mean like oh i'm trying to make this much money at the end of the day i'm trying to buy this amount of gear i'm trying to be featured here but then we're exposed to people like you and then you say something along the lines of i'm trying to build a compound and
it's this huge goal and you're able to tap into that kind of thinking by yourself but we need to hear it from you to feel to recognize oh i'm not thinking big enough and i think that's why he says something along the lines of it's your voice in my head because you're able
to do that for chris doe but we're not because when we think oh here's the goal that i have it's like this is big in my mind until i hear you're going i'm like this goal is not big at all yeah my goals were not big relative to me also okay but you
already knew that but i knew that before we had a conversation with chris i knew that i was floating somewhere in the ether that's why i wanted to know chris how do you tactfully like when we asked him he immediately knew and it was tactile and it was it was present it was
like you could see it because if you ask me mine is like well i want to make this much next year right right like when i do because i know i will it's just like all right well that wasn't that wasn't too much let's listen it's just floating through life but the purpose
now is to go out and to make it tangible and to make it scary big and to make it to where i can be afraid of my own potential big and go out there and do it and that's what i need personally i need that driving force and that that north star to
um to aim for okay i have things to respond to but ricky's got a hot question so ricky what's up tell me okay so ricky is saying how do you how do you deal with it being so scared that it paralyzes you right oh it's in the chat so it's not ricky's question
okay so let's talk a little bit about this this is something that everybody that's watching all 360 of you right now it's growing a little bit can do i want you to think about this okay so you don't need to close your eyes but i really need you to visualize this for you
right now think about a person or company or brand or an agency that's in your space right now somebody who's really far ahead of you imagine them right now okay and that's the king or queen of whatever it is that you hope to do one day that's your north star don't look for
the two or three people who are in front of you they can knock over really quickly if you just take a couple of steps so when we look at our channel we have small term goals and then we our short term goals and then we have really long term goals and we want
to be the best at doing what it is that we do and i believe that in terms of the design business space there may be a couple of people are in our space but i i hope to put as much daylight between us and them as humanly possible and this can change for
you so mo do you know who your person is or your company and chris do you know who it is and drigo do you you should know now you've heard me say this before success leaves clues so this is the next part to this which is now we can feel crushed by the
enormity of this goal like if you said you want to be bigger than pewdiepie which i think mr beast is going to be apparently he's on the trajectory right now so he has his dream and and he's even afraid to say that that's what it is because he loves pewdiepie too much to
say it and then he starts doing what he needs to do and he starts to study what other people are doing so that he can get there that's the most beautiful thing is because maybe prior to the age of the internet everything's documented as soon as it goes online it lives forever that's
why it's like they say once it hits the internet it's real because you can't get rid of it that means you could go back to year one of bruce wayne and see him fumbling around with his costume and his skills and you know how did he become a co-collaborator with jim's james gordon
how did he do all this and you can go back to year one and that's what you can do you can rewind the tape and look at the people who are super successful where you'd like to be and go reverse engineer read every book they've written read every blog post they've written because
they're dropping clues all over the place watch every video they produce in the order in which it was produced chronologically and you can get there so if you study who it is that you want to emulate and you study who they studied that's going to get you even closer closer to the source
code and i like clean source code we don't want this whole copy paste fourth generation version you go back to the source that's why i go back to jim rohn it's like i don't know where else to begin before that and jim rohn cites the bible i'm like okay that's too far that's
enough for me right so that's what you want to do so the problem is when you have this goal and it suffocates you and it paralyzes you it's because you have no plan of attack imagine this imagine you wanted to learn a martial art and you you were the most unathletic person you
know but if you went into a dojo and you met with a great teacher sifu sensei and they started to teach you from the most basic parts of breathing stance and position right they teach you about how to move and they slowly take you that process you're not going to feel like this
is overwhelming because they've taken something complicated and they've broken it down to bite-size pieces for you to practice that's why it's called practice right right tying it to yesterday's conversation that's what you want to be able to do so you can take small steps that are iterative that build to something much bigger
and it's also like video games where you play and you you move through a level and then you beat the boss that's just a mini boss and it's doable and the game designers know this so they teach you skills that you need to have and they make it a little bit harder each
time there's a new trick that you have to learn to like duck three times before you punch something like that and you keep going but they don't allow you to use the same pattern over and over because it'd be too easy so it's like that except for in real life you don't have
the sensei sifu you don't have the video game designer design in your life you design it for yourself which for some people can be debilitating or could be very empowering we like to be in control of our own destiny we don't like to be told what to do that's the empowering part the
debilitating part is where i began i just told you where to begin so whoever asked that question think about what i just said and if it wasn't clear ask it again and ricky will be on the lookout for you okay now we understand absolutely okay all right who's got the next thing i
want to talk about i'll check the messages too it's on me is that what that nod was go ahead you're nodding to be i don't i don't want to like meander around and and do like you rodrigo so i'm trying to formulate the question in my mind wow so i don't get shots
fired um i don't know man i think for me i'm at an interesting point in my life right now where i want to be doing something that is an extension of who i am i feel like what i'm doing right now is strictly out of obligation and we've talked about this a little
bit i don't know if i want to use the word lost i don't know if i want to use the word scared i just want to know how to do the thing or find the thing that i can be unapologetically committed to do or die no flip-flopping and i don't know if that's
too big i'm sure you're gonna ask me for context but that's the feeling i have right now yeah so the way that you phrase that question makes me feel that you don't believe that you actually have 100 control over the decisions of your life that you are exactly where you are because the
decisions you made yesterday right because what my business coach used to say to me all the time was there are no victims chris just volunteers whatever situation you find yourself in your life right now you volunteered for it and that goes i'm not saying this is you but for people who are in
unhappy relationships whether you're married or whatever you chose that person you chose to stay in it you choose to continue to accept being treated less than to be taken advantage of or disrespected you choose all of that unless your life is in mortal peril danger where you can't literally get away you choose
to keep that and i've been in super toxic relationships just one before and every time i was thinking let's break up and we didn't you know why i didn't break up because at that point in time in my life i kept telling myself maybe she's the best i'll ever get and so i'm
gonna put up with this abuse or maybe this is like a phase that relationships go through maybe i haven't tried enough in this relationship maybe i haven't been there to be the person that she wanted me to be so in doing all that stuff i quickly like slipped into states of depression i
was always feeling like i'm a victim like life is unfair like and i would have dreams of just being in a happy relationship versus the one that was in it was just a horrible time in my life but it taught me a lot i wasn't emotionally mature enough to realize what that was
happening and i was telling myself that story that tough up this is it and it wasn't until circumstances presented themselves that we were actually going to break up and then i just made a promise to myself never go back never go back and of course you know these breakups like the it's almost
like two magnets they're drawn to each other like we can make it work this time this will all be okay and you you tell yourself to lie you tell each other the lies it's gonna work and then you get back together when you say like i wanna pick something that i can stick
with well who the heck told you to pick whatever you didn't want to stick with i didn't see a gun to your head mo these are all decisions you make the faster you realize you're in charge of your life that you have agency that everything has happened to you thus far in one
way and the other you either actively decided or passively decided this is where you're going to be there's no coincidence there is zero coincidence right now that we're in santa monica in a building because this is what i want for my life and it comes at a great cost it really does right
like i grew up in san jose in the valley i went to art center because they told me this is the best school to go to once i was in los angeles i looked for work that was going to be the most challenging to get to excel at and to be recognized for
in one of the most competitive markets this is the entertainment capital of the world so if you're in entertainment only the strong survive here okay and it could be by luck good fortune or by hard work or to share talent but i decided i was going to make it here i remember one
time a couple years after graduating my uncle called me up and said kiddo we don't see you enough and these reunions the gatherings you know and they get together all the time big asian extended family and all the stereotypes that go with it and he said as soon as you tell hollywood to
move the business to san jose i will go there but until then this is the market to make it happen i could have chosen to go to san jose i could have chosen to go to some other state where it's like a little easier going but i wanted to survive and i want
to make it here if you can make it here in entertainment i think you make it anywhere and people know this you know this like if you want to be big an automotive industry it's probably detroit you know if you want to be big you name it there's going to be a city
and a place for that thing because that's what the world knows them for so here i am i'm in los angeles paying extremely high rent and then mortgage to live where i live right and then to establish a place of business and to hire people where it's going to cost even more to
do the work i chose this and then my wife is going to say well why did you choose this there's so much pressure and work and why can't we just chill i said you can't undo that part of my brain it's like i want to compete at the highest level on the global
stage this is where i'm at i've told all of you all three of you i don't know what you guys are doing because you're all filmmakers why you aren't in la i don't know i do not know right look at ricky he's out from michigan look at jonah i'm from texas y'all see
what i'm saying h-town over there shout out to the south you see what i'm saying they decided for whatever reason they're going to get in their cars they're going to drive across the country and they're going to try to make it in los angeles that's what they want and there's no surprise that
they're also here so the kid who's in iowa or wherever else they're from i'm like running out of states i ran out one dude i'm done i'm done you know washington you know wherever they're from there's a reason why they're there like if you want to be in politics you're probably in washington
right right right that's where you're going to be you can't make it i want to interject if i can go ahead i'm fully aware that where i am where i'm at up to this point is because of me volunteering i don't believe to be a victim in my own life i want to
make that very clear i'm at a point as i've tried different things coming out of my academic background i'll do them and then i just don't feel like my heart's in it and and don't get me wrong i've had success in these areas but i'm not like you say what staying up until
5am wanting to make this excellent all the time though if it's client work i'm making sure that it's excellent so i just feel like something is missing and i'm unable whether to see it or how i've been conditioned to things to for things to come easy and and immediate gratification i don't know
i don't know that's the thing it's not that like if i if i felt it in my bones i would probably take action on all of it right now my immediate priority is just to continue getting paid so i'm not even thinking about the the big immaculate i guess dream or goal at
the moment so let me stop you right there let me stop you for a couple things the things that you choose to do with your life you chose so why do you choose things that that don't do it for you somehow you've translated an interest into maybe i'm passionate about this into i'm
just showing up to get paid because every time you go up against somebody who's more passionate than you you're going to lose every single time i believe that right yeah and i've done a talk on this already right because look if the the four of us let's just say and it's going to
sound egotistical when i say this and i'll deal with the blow back in a second but the forest had to give a presentation to the next big conference design conference okay just imagine it we're all going to be there on closing night and you guys are all going to do a talk who
cares what the order is who's going to show up for that more than the next person the person who feels it in their heart and their bones so you're like you know i'm done i'm okay they go to sleep at 10 o'clock right i'm sitting there like in my underwear trying to figure
out like just how to make that slide a little bit better or how to work on the flow or any other key things that i can do to innovate and to add to that theoretically all things being relative equal i'm gonna crush you every single time just because you don't feel it the
way i feel it i'm not casting judgment on any other public speaker they're doing the best that they can but i sometimes i hate to say this my motivation is just embarrass them like i want to show up like i worked really hard for this and i want the people who are in
attendance and i know this is a problem of mine i've had therapy about this before which is to say that i feel the obligation the duty that if they pay 200 for to see 35 speakers that the 200 i'm gonna earn right then and there and i've said to you before if you
do more than what you're paid for i eventually be paid more than what you do i'm trying to do that and i've noticed something though i've noticed that over time in this short arc of my speaking career i'm getting put in more prominent positions because maybe somewhere somebody recognizes that work and that
passion the energy that put into it right you know i was talking to my friend aaron and he said chris man the amount of work and and you don't make it easy on yourself because you just keep writing new decks and i say to them i would love to give the same talk
over and over again but they asked me to write about something new i'm like dang it am i the only person who has to do this or what but i accept it and it's it's grueling it's nasty it's horrible but i do it here's the other thing that you said you're like but
i don't want to be that guy who's like up at five in the morning trying to do this thing but i'll do it for a client so that's sending all kinds of signals to me that you'll show up more for a client than you'll show up for yourself so you are perhaps maybe
a person who's motivated by the obligation to others by not letting others down but you don't use the same standard for yourself and the only person that you should really be concerned about not in letting not letting down is you you should be the first person in the mo is my club fan
club you should be the first person in line to say like of all the people i have to like make happy i need to make mo happy hearing that makes me mad uncomfortable why i could feel my body i could like feel myself like going crazy foot people are wondering why drake is
uncomfortable why why is drake uncomfortable um because the word selfish just comes to mind it just is what it is like that's that's the only answer i have don't pull it trump it is what it is give us an explanation like why dig into your soul in your heart and your mind pull
it out of you and let us know what's inside so so difficult um i don't know when i when i hear like worry about mo first or put the only person you should be considering out of all of this is yourself it's like yeah but what about the people that are in my
life that i owe a responsibility to or that are um needing something from me or looking out for me and i know there's the cliche of like well you can't give 100 to anyone else if you're not 100 with yourself whatever whatever but i don't know it's just how i think that's just
that's my answer to that that's not a very clear that's not a clear or enlightening or soul-searching or life-changing explanation of any of that i think you're beating around the bush i'm gonna call it right now if it's around the bush just to latch it i mean i think just a lot to
take on just to think about in a very short amount of time i mean that's that's kind of deep so and so from what you're saying chris are we are you understanding you're suggesting but should we be doing something else so if we're not that passionate about the thing that we're doing right
now um let me think about that yes yeah but like so like so okay i get it's like so in that situation right now if i'm not waking up to shoot videos i should just find something i'm gonna drag my crew right into this conversation right now i'm gonna put him on the
hot seat even though you can't see him and you can't hear him except for a wildlife from ricky from time to time let me just say this right now often times i'll come into the office and i'll talk to joan and ricky i'm like dude i've been watching this shot this is how
they do it here's this camera here's the lighting i need you to think about this and then i yell at them and i yell at them i raise my voice slightly and i say to them this is your job this is your passion it's not even my job or my passion why am
i the guy watching these videos telling you how to light and move things around and you know what i'm saying it's like do you always want somebody else to tell you how to do your job do you want to be the best version of you that you can be and this is where
all that passion comes into play right so if you don't have it find something that you love you either find something you love or love the thing that you found i don't know which it is you can lie to yourself but here's the other thing i've been thinking about so mo and i
are unique in this situation between the the four of us in this room or the six of us actually i'm the only moe and i are the only ones who are married who have kids who have other people that we gotta think about besides us but i'm gonna tell you right now i
never want my two boys i have two boys right to look at me and say that's how you live a compromised life i never want them to see that if they love me if they like me if they enjoy being around me i never want them to think that that i phoned it
in that my unhappiness comes from me making compromises around what my wife want and what they want we've seen that all you have to do is look around your life and see who's done that right you see the uh the the the mom who's grown into her dress a little bit who is
a little bit wrinkly in the in her face but underneath all that you're like you were a dancer an actress once weren't you you were the beauty queen like what happened to that well you know i got married and i had you guys and then you see the dad who's like a pretty
brilliant engineer but then wind up just working on his car and you're like what happened well you know i got married and had you guys we just have this one life it's so precious and it's a miracle that you're alive that you are exactly who you are why would you waste that i
don't understand that i have a hard time reconciling that and i think i honor my parents and my my larger family and my wife and children to be the best person i can be it does come at a cost for sure it means sometimes i don't go to the the warm-up recitals for
my children right it might mean that i'm working more than they would like me to but until they invent a way to be at two places at the same time i don't know how to do that i'm often reminded this story and i read it in the power of self-confidence by brian brian
tracy and he talked about how i think the painter gauguin he dream dreamt of being an amazing painter so to hang out at these cafes and peres and all the greats were there and he would just sit there and like have coffee and drink and just study them and he just wanted that
life so much that one day and he was working at the post office he just quit he packed his bags and he left his wife and his children and went to tahiti i think he started to paint then he became the person that he needed to become now there's a tragedy in here
that he left his wife and his kids but i think if he's miserable he's not that good to them either we've seen parents who hate their lives and then take it out on their family that you always when you see this in the stories in cinema you're like why don't you do everybody
a freaking favor and just leave leave this poor family alone because you come home and you're like you hate things and then your kid says something it's totally innocent and you just whip them one it's like what is that you hate your life you're not willing to take responsibility for it so you
just take it out on the poor people who can't stand up to you for financial reasons they can't for physical reasons they can't why would you do that someone said someone in the comments said it's a pep talk at this point well that's what welcome to after welcome to after hours really sorry
for us being vulnerable with you you don't realize what after hours is because you may not have seen one of these things in a really long time this is like um i'm a little older and you guys so i think i can say this the father-son talk you've never had and the son
that i don't have right now because they're actually pretty young kids right we try to do that different tone i'm not like high-energy chris i'm not white boarding strategizing and things like that we're just having real talk and i think and somebody's gonna i'm gonna get myself in trouble again my wife's gonna
yell at me after this but like even buddha you know buddha was like of like comes from a rich family and he was married and he decided you know what the world is suffering i want to end suffering i want to lessen the suffering humankind so he leaves his wife and his children
then he goes on to like share his ideas with people that have changed generations of people sometimes he takes that kind of sacrifice yes i'm about to say that ricky i don't need thank you i've been reading i'm not about marriage so he's uh he's pretty in tune on that situation he is
i'm not encouraging anybody here to leave their wife and their children or the husband or their dog or whatever and just abandon things but i need you to dig deep inside yourself and find out what makes you tick to try to make it work within that construct but life should not be a
series of one compromise after another right it shouldn't be that so whatever you picked in your life unpick it pick something new pick something that you can get up for i i'd like to say something because i read a comment and i think it's for for people to feel in tune it's someone's
like although i'm having a hard time getting a grasp on the actual situations these guests are in it all sounds quite vague let me shoot it real straight to you i've been in business for two and a half years made a significant amount of money in in the six figures in the first
year of business and now i just feel like i'm doing it because it's an occupation that i'm good at that gets me paid and allows me to give clients things that they want i ne don't necessarily feel passionate about what i'm doing though i'm good at it and i haven't been able to
figure out exactly how to take my icky guy or all the things that i'm good at and all the things that i'm passionate about and turn it into something unique that i can give to the world this is something that really cripples me a lot most of the time and when i talk
to chris and hear what he's saying out loud it does sound like professionally i am settling because the things that i am passionate about whether it be music or rap or public speaking or entertaining i don't see them getting me paid the same way this occupation is getting me paid so and i
think the reason why i struggle on following through on certain things when it comes to this is like i am comfortable on what i'm doing right now in my in my work and and because of the lack of like deep rooted passion i'm cool i'm not you know what i mean like does
that make sense like i'm not trying to in this particular space and then i hear these conversations and then i end up not having the excited eager i could do more but the judgmental i could do more where i'm like well i could be doing more in this space i could be creating
a course i could be creating more content but like then it feels like i'm doing it for the for the sake of just making the money for the business versus it being a real passion that isn't sustainable and then i don't commit and then i'm i'm on that bipolar trajectory of like making
a little bit of content here and stopping so to answer that that is with all the detail i can muster where i'm at personally and the the the advice i'm looking for is like i guess is what you just said like just pick something at this point that you're better that sh that
you feel better with uh yeah i want to say a couple of things that well we we need to do some editorial work right now so i want to prep you guys for this i want you guys to introduce yourselves real quick and i'll prompt you one to do that so we can
use it for that some people aren't familiar with the after hours series because it's been months well maybe almost a year since we've done one we've been busy y'all we've been a little busy with covet and all that stuff trying to keep our business going but we do these kinds of talks and
they are very much centered around exactly what you see here so first of all let me know in the comments that you're enjoying this kind of format because it's very different it's very real this is unvarnished unpolished unscripted i'm running out of unwords here it's the underworld you know this is this is
unplanned i mean well sort of uh i don't know exactly what we're gonna talk about but it's a chance for us to like strip away all that stuff and just reveal ourselves to be who we are and have real meaningful conversations so joining me today are who some people i would consider my
friends that started out as strangers and we've hung out in different cities in the world and it's been a pretty amazing experience at least for me now mo introduce yourself to the camera my name is mo ismail i'm a solopreneur i run a video marketing agency that helps course creators thought leaders and
digital entrepreneurs multiply and scale their video content online for their business marketing what is the name of your company mo mox m-o-c-s okay next up is chris franklin franklin look right into that lens down the the barrel and give us your soul ricky on the spot my name is christopher franklin i am
a independent filmmaker in south mississippi basically my company helps brands tell their story through film and i also do youtube where i teach other creatives how to basically you know be more comfortable with the camera on camera and to help their clients you know achieve their goals and to help the actual filmmaker
be a better version of themselves so what's the name of your company did you already say my technical name of my company is beauty is veiled but i'm in transition at the moment because it originally was wedding films and wedding uh photography it's gone it's gone it's gone yeah okay you're in transition
right now um which camera that one there you go yeah go i'm doing my intro again hi my name is rodrigo taska i am a filmmaker entrepreneur based in south florida i shoot content for corporate brands and local businesses the name of my agency is taska studios and also have a small dedicated
youtube channel that i pretty much teach everything i learned from chris so thanks very much you guys did a great job all right go ahead before we continue i would just like to point out this one comment that just said they like my hat thank you so much you know you know that's
it you guys need to stop reading the comments i know look i'll tell you i mean it's great that you're reading the comments but not if you can't be present to what's going on and and sometimes you can become a little bit ruled by what's happening in the in the mop i i
can do that i can walk at you gum at the same time i encourage you to actually just think about what is being said and try to figure out what the next thing you want to talk about now if you're wondering how the heck you can be a part of this conversation the
truth is you can't this is kind of an invite only thing these are friends from the pro group but that's coincidental i have real relationships with these fine people who are in front of me and it begins with just like how strangers do things we get to know each other and eventually it
escalates to something like this and originally it was planned to be a giant pro meetup but of course that didn't happen but these guys went through ahead went went through with the plan and went out here to risk my life by giving me corona so we got that part we got tested so
we got it cool we've been quarantined and things have been mostly good okay so that's who they are and thanks for being a part of this i want to say hello to a few people who are tuning in most likely we'll just edit this part out later but for the lives i want
to say hello to excellence at a gun sketch and fiscent reeven master plk dane pearl mohammed chand burm i saw some other people in here that i want to say hello to because i see them alex i see you modern picasso what's up jennifer catherine thanks very much for tuning there he is
alex harton i'm glad you guys like this format if you like it and this gets enough views we'll continue to do it historically speaking we do the after hours on my personal channel which has like very few followers and then we do the cut downs for the main channel but jonah's like we
haven't done this in a while maybe people will miss it maybe they'll like it and they need to reintroduce the concept so if you like it be sure you hit that like button and let people know and drop a comment having a comment inside the video once it's aired actually helps a lot
with the algorithm saying that somehow this is engaging with people and you you might want to see more of this okay now moving on i want to say something as i told mo to stop reading the chats he's still in the chats i was reading while you were reading the chats no because
i'm doing a job i'm doing a job man your job is to be here okay i didn't want to be vague if this is something no you're still vague it's okay i'm stupid no we know you're vague that's all right we're not ready to go there but i do want to say something
this is an emotional thing for me i'm gonna say it i i have two boys that i'm taking care of and and my wife who's my partner in life and business and i often dream of this wonderful dream and we talk about dreams and goals and plans i hope that one day that
this this company this organization that we have called the future becomes so successful to have more money than god because what i would love to do is to have these kinds of conversations in deep meaningful prolonged ways of with young people people who need some help and some guidance to be the parent
figure that they don't have whether you want to call me mom or dad i don't really care but just to bring those people in and say you know what you have a place to live we can learn together for at least a period of time because i'm not also about just enablement i'm
about empowerment to bring people together especially in far away cities and places that these kinds of opportunities don't exist i'm doing the best that i can to be the father to you guys out there the ones that we all wish we could have had i'm trying to be that person myself and i'm
sure my kids are rolling their eyes right now saying dad you're not that you're not that kind of father to us so well better some than none right burn okay now moe and chris and rodrigo i want to ask you this question the question is this is are you the best person in
your town that does what you do are you the best person in your city that does what you do in the state in the country in the world my ambition is to be world class whether i fail or make it doesn't matter to me but that is my ambition to be the best
in the world i know i have a long ways to go and whatever i do if i can't be that if there's no path for me moving forward i quit i choose something else period my son loves to play video games it's all he does in his free time i don't like it
because he's not very good i just ask him can you do this professionally is this what you want to do because i will support you 100 percent and he knows it he used to speak with a little bit of a lisp so i in my in my mind he's still that little boy
even though he's not he's like dad i can't do it i'm like okay then time for us to move on not funny rick you don't laugh it's time for us to move on right i love the kid to death but he knows it yeah because he's just not that brilliant at strategy keeps
running to the same spot and getting murdered i don't understand it i even tell him take the other path and he gets the victory he's like that was luck i'm like it's not luck it's a plan i have a strategy my friend okay he doesn't have the twitch factor he just doesn't have
that cold-blooded killer video game instincts he does it he's all sweaty so i don't think he has it he has other skills that other people will be happy to have so mo i think you're vague that's fine let's move on who else has got something i'm not trying to be vague i know
i really am not i mean it's not vague because like in my situation i got into video because i was very passionate about it i was at a place where i hated what i was doing i was literally going into work like feeling like my soul is getting sucked out of me and
i bought a camera and i'd wake up early work on that stuff go to work get out work on video stuff go to my job repeat and through a point and it's like you know just working with you it's more of those like self-discovery stuff of like i was very happy with the
video stuff but eventually the video stuff became my full-time job and then i dealt with dealing with clients to a point now that like you know i won't take on jobs from clients or photo stuff because i feel like that's the last like creative outlet i have for me and it's one of
those things i feel like is there more out there that i'm not doing now that i could be more passionate about because i don't have the same flame that i had for video when i started i still love video like i'd rather do what i'm doing today with video than anything else like
i couldn't do a nine to five job but like but at the same time i'm like is there something more and bigger out there and it's i don't want to feel like i'm not happy with what i have like i'm like i feel ever feel very fortunate to be in america and you
know what i mean and just to have the opportunities that i have but it always you know every time i have a talk with you it makes me think of like am i going to be doing more i feel that everything you just said good yeah and the answer is yes of course
you you studied cinematography as a self-taught person you bought a camera we know this having a camera does not make you a cinematographer having a camera does not make you a storyteller the storyteller finds the tools and makes the story so you may or may not have it within your heart your body
and your mind and soul and spirit that you want to be an incredible storyteller to connect people with their emotions and to illuminate stories that people are ignoring and if you look at yourself like that how could you not be inspired by that but i think what happens is after you gain a
certain level of proficiency not even mastery just proficiency is you start to think about getting paid for that thing that that spark that it was the origin of this thing has somehow disappeared in the grind itself and you've lost your way and i think that's what it is so when i got to
school i felt like i was pretty top of my class for graphic design and that was not going to sustain me i knew enough about myself and i had the awareness to say i'm going to get bored with this really fast i need to find something else i got into motion graphics which
is still a new and emerging field and i knew it had a lot of complexities to it animation photography illustration visual effects acting editing directing cinematography so many things that would take a person a lifetime just to learn one of those columns i'm like this is going to keep me busy for a
while and when you get good enough then you say well you know instead of working with small-time local tv spots i want to work with national tv spots okay now i've done that i don't want to just work for any national tv spot i want to work for the best in class i
don't want to work for podunk car maker i want world-class car maker i don't want to work for just cat food i want to make the best cat food commercials and you just keep going going it's like i haven't worked with that agency i haven't worked with that brand or that client we
haven't worked with those superstars let's go there and that can keep you busy for 20 years because that's the drive and when when you feel like you've hit some kind of ceiling you add something new to that and you continue to explore you keep challenging yourself you move that mile marker away some
people have attended some of my talks there's this one ad that i referenced and this is the power of art i think it is an ad but it's art and it's for nike it's a double page spread and i saw it in a magazine that features the best ads in the world and
what it had was it had a street and it almost felt like one point perspective vanishing point where the street kind of just undulated it was like a san francisco street you know where it go up and down and you can see from the point of view the camera all the way into
the horizon one really long street and you saw the buildings flanking from left and right it's kind of an urban thing and then the copy read something like just to the mailbox just to the car just in the street dang just to the chest of that and it kept going it kept going
going that's how i see my life so if you if you just say to yourself and i think i'm not a sports athletic person i see this thing it just hits me right here and it's like that's what it means to be super passionate about something in your life that you set a
goal when you get to that goal you're not saying like i'm going to run to the end of that that into the horizon i'm not going to run 10 kilometers i'm just going to get to the next mile marker i'm just going to keep going and keep going i don't know when i'm
going to stop i'm just gonna keep going and this is me in 1995 saying just get out of school just start a company just try to get a client just get a few freelancers working for you just learn how to bid just and it just keeps going and going so the reason why
you don't wake up and show up anymore is because you got to that marker to the car the third goal in and you're like i'm done that's what it is i'm done and that's what's separating your head and then being upset that you only made it to the mailbox that could be one
explanation is that good i get i get that question a lot from people and they're like oh it's what's next for you and i was like oh i'm just kind of enjoying the place that i got to yeah yeah you know what happens there these people like me younger and older than you
just keep going and then the problem is time as the song goes is not on your side the more obligations you have the less your body complies with your mind trust me i know trust me i know the harder it is for you to do what it is you want to do is
some i'm going to butcher the expression but like beauty and youth is wasted on the young it really is because you don't know what to do with it you do dumb stupid things thinking you have all of your life and now i'm looking right at ricky right he's trying to not make eye
contact with me but he knows what i'm talking about yeah that's what i'm hoping you will get focused but i on with the lens you know what i'm saying that's what you want so when i look at my two boys and they're very different one doesn't really need a lot of motivation he
already knows what he wants to do in his life the other one i'm like you seem to exhibit talent in this thing do you like this thing he's like yeah well let's work on this thing instead of the other thing that you don't like and so we take them out of school we
put them in an art school so i was thinking if i could do my life all over again i would want to be in your shoes right now young man a father who just supports me who just gives me whatever i need to do pursue my my goal my dreams who wants me
to be the best version of myself not out of pressure and obligation but just because of joy and i'm just looking at that little dude like come on dude i can't open any more doors for you right now you got to walk through that door so i look at you i look at
you and i look at you and everybody else that's watching this i want that for you too but i can't want it more for you than you want it for you i can't it's like that expression goes you can't hire someone to do the push-ups for you you got to do the work
and it starts by being clear with what you want from your life that's where it begins i think it's going to be time for us to start wrapping this up i'm starting to feel that i think we have a couple more comments probably that we need to sort through here and i'll give
you guys some time to kind of formulate your last questions or final thoughts you don't have to ask another question you can summarize you can you can perform a haiku you can do whatever you want to do but i'm going to scan the comments okay that's good ricky thanks ricky says you guys
think about what your takeaways uh what you got from this conversation or a plan of action let's figure it out alex is saying to himself god the dumb things i've done the dumb things i've done 10 to 15 years ago it's true we all do those things and we all move on our
own timeline so don't be too hard on yourself oh okay jennifer has an issue with me let's talk about this let me read this make sure i understand it let's go okay here we go so jennifer granger is saying the issue i have is chris you're projecting your world view on others rather
than being curious others where the level of success is enough 100 guilty i got no issues with your observation of my observation these friends of mine who've gathered around here i hope that they're coming here because they need to get past whatever challenge barrier they get they need to get unstuck and i
assume they show up because they want to hear what my world view is and this is all this is you're exactly right this is my world view this is what i want this is what i want for myself so when i say success leaves clues sometimes they're hard to figure out and sometimes
success just tells you exactly what to do it's just up to you if you want to pick up those clues or not so obviously what i'm saying is not for everyone i don't believe it's for everyone i don't think everyone's capable of hearing this i don't think everyone wants this and that's totally
okay the beautiful thing about this fabric of society that we have is we all get to be who we want to be we all get to achieve what we want to achieve and that's amazing plain and simple there we go oh greg greg one of the teams oh when when when one of
your team members is in the house you gotta address that so double g as he's known around the way g double g greg gregory gunn gregory gunn says do you think struggle is an inherent part of personal growth versus having unconditional support that's a deep question from double g right there let me
just tell you right now it's a puzzle within a riddle within something else right yeah i don't think these are mutually exclusive things greg that you can have unconditional support while struggling and those are ideally what you would have that you would have a support network of friends and parents and family who
support you unconditionally while giving you space to suffer because your dream is big and i think if you don't struggle somewhat you're not pushing yourself far enough that would just be my take that's my world view jennifer obviously if you're not struggling and you're feeling great and just rock staring it out right
now more power to you more power to you i struggle i struggle every day i try to pretend that it's easy but it's a struggle oh okay jennifer's saying ps i still love you thank you jennifer that's important to me okay tim's in the house tim what's up okay they're having private conversations
now we do have pros like melinda david co oh what does melinda say melinda melinda just let everybody to my instagram so they can tell me i'm more vague i see please everybody do me a favor and go to what is it mox media no at mo isma oh at mo isma go
there and let him know how vague or clear he's been in this conversation so clear drop him slip in the dms and give him a message okay anything else did i give you enough time to think to contemplate to reflect yeah i got mine all right here we go all right go ahead
so i think the big one for me is kind of me i don't know if that's how it worked out for you but it was realizing that you know your plans for that compound and the things you want to do didn't come from like 10 years ago maybe it did but i guess
it's more of understanding that this is kind of like a skeleton like you like to talk about that it's going to come into steps but i need to figure out what the next step of what i want to achieve and then from there the next thing could potentially come to me and the
other thing you said was about imagine the person that i look up to and then visualize the steps that they took to get to where they're at kind of like the success leaves clues is what really resonated with me fantastic summary very succinct well done all right chris you're up i'm in a
very similar boat to rodrigo um basically when it comes to visualizing and goal setting making it strategic making it tangible making it to the point to where i i can basically physically see it and it's for me and it's what i'm meant to do because i do feel like i'm in the correct
area i feel like i'm passionate about what i do and i feel like you know i'm in my right spot i just have to see the trajectory of how far i can go in my field when it comes to questions i need to learn to ask better questions um more thought out questions
because i there are answers that i want to find and the question is the first step to getting those things and of course as you're going to say success leaves clues setting the people in my area because i i'm i'm a i'm in a small town not necessarily like super small but it's
not it's not la and so there is a part of me that is comfortable being among the better in videographers in my town but it stopped there for a second and so it's just pushing past that and going further there's something about you chris that i think once you found your voice and
your path that i think you're on to something you shared some videos earlier on i made some comments about the playboy filter and you removed it promptly at the prime of miss filter you know because it's like it has a certain look and i see you delivering things i'm like who is this
guy i never who is this guy where'd he come from you know this guy who shows up on camera that's smooth with that kind of southern thing you got going it's it's very nice and i like it and i think you're going to give hope to a lot of people who are exactly
where you were just a couple years ago and i think that's a really beautiful thing that you're doing i think for you what i would try to do is to set my bar pretty high and keep climbing that to say somebody like me can attain the heights that i'm able to attain and
you're going to empower so many people we talk about representation inclusion and sometimes i don't fully get that but i start to understand it now like when we see somebody who looks like us like some skinny brazilian first generation immigrant then we know we can do it some vegan guy right we we
know that somebody's done it so we have a template to follow right because when we say success leaves clues and it's jim rohn not rodrigo who said that success leaves clues is apparently the person who's leaving the clues has to look like us and sound like us for us to pick them up
because what happens is we go through this kind of exceptional mindset which is they can do it except i'm not like that right right right right she was able to do that because that's her story and her narrative and it's really crazy to me but this is how a lot of people think
so the casting of that person who's going to leave clues for us has to almost be a mirror image of our life story so what can we learn about this it's just by you being you and there are a hundred thousand people a million people just like you who are waiting for you
to become their role model and that's who you can be we also realize that um that we need to tell our story so that they can say that sounds like my story so all of you guys what we've done today except for mo is to review who we are to be specific to
talk about where we come from because that story is what galvanizes people to say yes i can too so for you i think you still have miles to go where you can be and i'm looking forward to that day when you're like joe smooth doing your thing you've got your own catch phrases
and you've got all the gear that you could ever dream of in your life and that's what i want for you because and i'm saying this jennifer it's not what i want because this is what i see what he wants and we spend enough time knowing that that's where it's going and sometimes
you just need another human being to see that sparkle in your eye and say you see my dream too big facts that's it you want to say something no okay let's move on to mr vague mo ismail why do you like picking on me i've not been it's fine that's why i've been
so emotion no but um my two things are i like the nike ad that you said which i think shifted my perspective a little bit because i do look at the end of the street versus just to the mailbox and then i go into shooting on myself so i think that was a
big perspective shift just recognizing that it's one step at a time and then the what's the emotion behind that i could be doing more is it excited um eager or is it judgmental and unfortunately i fall under the judgmental voice right now and hearing the way you said it and even the way
you said it via your inflection made me realize that i could be saying the same thing but it'd have completely different consequences so those were the two biggest ones for me well apparently your cousin's in the chat because your cousin's like mo you was very clear let's go i appreciate that yeah i'll
let you know thank you it's coming from siren you can send the venmo check to syrian right now let me let me see if i can add a few more comments to this conversation and then we're done we're gonna wrap up today i have a board meeting to go to um people deny
saying she likes a small group setting now you guys can read the chats if you want i have ptsd now do you no one wants to get picked on like me for reading did you read something did you read it yeah okay let me see if there's anything else we'll get out of
here chris are you a big fish in a small pond or a small fish in a big pond kind of guy yeah i'm a small fish in a big pond i said i want to be world class that's a pretty big pond which is a giant pond yeah and i always thought that
it would be better to be a small fish in a big pond because the fish can grow a big fish in a small pond that's kind of it jake kingman what's up saying loving the format tonight nice deep chats maybe we'll change after hours to deep chats what do you think about that
deep chats ladies and gentlemen welcome you today wait hold on everybody quiet while the guy with the deepest voice say that go ahead ladies and gentlemen we'd like to welcome you to deep chats here at the future and i want you to do that but without smiling don't don't be all like comical
about it go ahead ladies and gentlemen we'd like to welcome you to deep chats here at the future send in your questions and they might get noticed beautiful good job dude you got to put that deep voice to work for you see hire me for voice acting you you got to get you
got to use what your mama gave you that's what it is that's my future side passion one day it's going to be just voice over the lion king 5. mufasa returns i love it i think what we need to do is jack is asking where can i find that nike at jack i
promise you i've been looking for the nike i cannot find it so it's not easy to find i'm pretty good at sleuthing around on the googles but i've rebuilt the ad in my mind and you guys understand the concept right and i've shared it in a talk before so that's where you can
find it now living on in my mind in my decks okay you want me to pick on some other people i see that okay i think what we need to do is we need to wrap this up because i want to drag it on and kill all the energy and the good vibes
that we have okay so on behalf of my team which is jonah and ricky who aren't on camera today and typically they are they are on camera holding the mics with me but we're out of microphones apparently and they can't do it and and then of course the three people the gentleman in
front of me melinda we miss you i don't know we miss you we miss you that's all right here you don't want to get what we got so once again to my left is mo ismail you can follow him on instagram at mo ismai isma mo isma mo isma and this is chris
franklin chris franklin where can people find you on insta uh instagram at chris franklin jr or youtube at chris franklin jr chris franklin jr with a c straight forward chris franklin jr jr okay and then last but not least rodrigo tosca where can people find you you can find me on the gram
on drigo underscore who or on youtube rodrigo taska on the grizzle and also on tinder no no no off the market are you awesome thank you dang dude you and ricky you guys are all done huh update that status okay ricky he called you young and beautiful earlier in a very back handed
way but it was dope all right everybody thanks very much for hanging out with us on this very real raw deep philosophical unvarnished version of the future this is after hours i'm your host christo and i will see you in the future
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