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    How Montana and Spirit Airlines Won by Being Honest

    with Chris Do

    Chris Do explains why credible brands fix broken promises and embrace the limitations customers already recognize.

    Chris Do

    Chris Do

    Founder, The Futur™ · May 10, 2025

    A company can believe in excellent service and still deliver a miserable experience. The customer has no obligation to credit the intention. Chris Do, identified in the transcript as the host of The Futur podcast, connects brand perception to the decisions that produce it: hiring, training, service delivery, and the willingness to acknowledge failure.

    His argument puts an uncomfortable limit on what branding can accomplish. A sharper message cannot make rude service attentive. A confident claim cannot turn a bargain offer into a luxury experience.

    The work begins where the company’s preferred description stops matching what people encounter.

    The Customer Does Not Experience the Intention

    Do starts with a distinction that businesses have good reasons to resist. The brand inside the organization is an aspiration, shaped by what its leaders believe and what they want to build. The brand outside the organization is a judgment, shaped by what customers have actually experienced.

    Those two versions can share a name and have almost nothing else in common. A company can describe itself as helpful while customers remember being ignored. It can place service at the center of its identity while leaving employees unprepared to deliver it.

    A brand promise becomes credible through execution. That is the central demand in Do’s argument, and it changes where responsibility sits. When perception and intention diverge, the first question is not how to explain the company more persuasively. It is whether the company has earned the description it wants.

    Do invokes Marty Neumeier’s understanding of a brand as a person’s gut feeling about a product, service, or organization. The useful consequence is not that businesses have no influence over their reputations. It is that influence and ownership are different things.

    A business can shape the conditions of an experience. It cannot dictate the feeling left behind.

    That distinction makes internal conviction a weak defense. A leadership team’s belief in its own standards does not establish that customers encounter those standards. An intention remains an intention until the organization gives people evidence they can recognize without an explanation.

    In Do’s telling, the gap often hides in ordinary encounters rather than dramatic failures. Nothing has to collapse for a customer to leave with the wrong impression. Several small signals can contradict the company’s preferred story before anyone inside notices a problem.

    • Confusing parking makes arrival harder than it needs to be.
    • Curt responses undermine a claim of attentive service.
    • Employees who offer no help leave customers to manage the experience themselves.

    These are the details Do uses to make an abstract problem concrete. A business advertising excellent service does not get to exclude parking, staff behavior, or helpfulness from the customer’s assessment. Those details are part of the evidence.

    The broader subject has a natural companion in The Futur’s Crafting a Great Client Experience: From Mediocre to Memorable. Here, however, the pressure is on the distance between the experience a business promises and the one it makes possible.

    That distance cannot be resolved by insisting that customers have misunderstood. Do’s position is more demanding: their response is information about the business as delivered, not merely commentary on the business as imagined.

    This does not make every individual complaint a complete diagnosis. His recommendation is to listen across reviews and public sentiment, including positive responses, rather than select the reaction that best protects the company’s self-image.

    The uncomfortable part is also the useful part. Once a business stops treating its intentions as proof, it can begin examining what customers are actually judging.

    The Brand Problem Behind the Service Problem

    A company that promises excellent service has already made an operational commitment, whether management recognizes it or not. Someone has to hire for it. Someone has to train for it. Employees have to understand what the promise requires when a customer needs help.

    Do’s prescription is blunt: “You have to hire different. You have to hire better.” The point is not that a new set of employees automatically solves the problem. It is that brand ambition has consequences for the people selected to represent it and the preparation they receive.

    This is where branding stops being a matter of expression alone. The organization has to make the promised behavior repeatable. Otherwise, the customer receives whatever experience an individual employee happens to provide, while the company continues advertising a standard it has not implemented.

    Do places training alongside hiring for that reason. A declaration of excellence does not explain how to behave when someone arrives confused, asks for assistance, or needs more patience than a routine transaction demands. The promise has to reach those moments.

    In his example, the business believes it is customer-service oriented but has neither hired nor trained accordingly. The contradiction is not incidental. It is the mechanism producing the reputation management wishes would disappear.

    Fix the experience before defending the image.

    That principle sets the order of work. Listening comes first because the company needs to know how the gap appears to customers. Operational correction follows because a clearer diagnosis is not yet an improved experience.

    Do recommends reading reviews and paying attention to what people say publicly, both good and bad. That last distinction matters. The objective is not to collect grievances until the organization feels sufficiently chastened. It is to understand the experience accurately enough to act.

    Positive feedback identifies what customers already recognize as valuable. Negative feedback reveals where the promise breaks down. Taken together, they offer a more useful account than either uncritical praise or a defensive fixation on the harshest complaint.

    • Read the reviews rather than relying on internal impressions.
    • Listen for both favorable and unfavorable sentiment.
    • Connect the feedback to hiring, training, and service delivery.

    The challenge is emotional as well as operational. Public criticism can feel like an attack on the care invested in a business. But effort and effect are not interchangeable, a tension that makes Dealing With Negative Feedback a relevant companion to this discussion.

    Do gives the responsibility back to the organization. If people repeatedly encounter something different from what the company claims, the business has to examine its execution. The aspiration does not become less sincere. It becomes insufficient.

    There is a practical discipline here: resist the temptation to make the communication more ambitious while the experience remains unchanged. A stronger promise can create an even sharper contrast with an underwhelming encounter.

    The business does not need more eloquent language for its standards. It needs those standards to become visible in the decisions and behaviors customers meet.

    Only then does the next conversation become credible.

    The Second Chance Has to Contain Evidence

    Correcting a service failure does not automatically correct its reputation. A disappointed customer can continue carrying an accurate memory of an experience the company no longer delivers. Internal improvement and public recognition do not happen at the same moment.

    That is why Do does not stop at operational repair. After listening and making changes, he argues, the business has to address the old perception directly. Silence leaves the earlier experience as the customer’s most concrete evidence.

    “You have to tackle the perception head on,” he says.

    The proposed response is an admission, not a euphemism. The company acknowledges that it failed to provide the service it believed it offered, explains that it has changed, and asks for another opportunity to demonstrate the difference.

    The sequence matters. An apology delivered before improvement asks customers to take another risk on the same underlying conditions. An apology delivered after improvement can point toward a genuinely different encounter.

    A second chance needs something new to judge.

    Do illustrates that logic through his account of Domino’s. He describes an earlier perception of the pizza as an option chosen when alternatives were unavailable, then contrasts it with a product he and his son now enjoy. The strongest evidence in his telling is his own changed preference, not a numerical claim about the company’s performance.

    His description of the earlier product is deliberately unflattering. He recalls dough that tasted like cardboard, cheese he did not find appealing, and toppings that failed to impress. These are judgments about the food, which means a different advertising tone alone would not answer them.

    In Do’s account, the meaningful change happened in the product before the revised perception followed. That is what makes the example relevant to a business facing criticism: the objection concerns something customers consume or experience, so the answer has to reach that thing.

    He also notices packaging that feels more expressive and less impersonal to him. The box becomes a supporting cue, suggesting a different attitude. But it accompanies his changed opinion of the pizza rather than replacing the need for one.

    This is an important limit on design’s role. Packaging can make a change easier to notice. It cannot establish that the underlying criticism has been resolved when the next bite contradicts the message.

    Do’s personal preference adds another useful qualification. He is not praising Domino’s for becoming an artisanal restaurant. He describes enjoying a particular kind of greasy American pizza with his son.

    The desired transformation is not from ordinary to universally prestigious. It is from an unsatisfying version of an offer to a version the customer actively wants.

    That gives a second-chance invitation something specific to accomplish. The business is not asking the customer to erase the past out of generosity. It is asking for an opportunity to place new evidence beside the old memory.

    Do suggests making that opportunity tangible through a complimentary drink or another concrete gesture. The gesture creates an occasion to demonstrate improvement; it does not substitute for improvement.

    The apology opens the door. The experience has to do the convincing.

    A Modest Offer Does Not Need a Grand Disguise

    Not every unfavorable description identifies a failure that needs to be repaired. Some descriptions point to the nature of the offer itself. A low-cost service can be limited without being dishonest, provided its presentation makes those limits clear.

    Do turns to Spirit Airlines to examine that distinction. His description is pointed: “a bus with wings.” It is a characterization used in his argument, not a documented company slogan or a claim about a particular campaign’s results.

    He frames the positioning choice as a hypothetical. A bargain airline should not present itself as Virgin Atlantic, Singapore Airlines, or Emirates. In his comparison, borrowing the associations of a very different experience would make the claim less believable, not the offer more appealing.

    Position the offer that actually exists.

    This is not an argument for accepting poor execution. The earlier demand still holds: a company has to deliver its promise. The distinction is between failing to provide what was promised and offering something deliberately less elaborate.

    A business creates confusion when it treats every limit as an embarrassment to conceal. It can end up implying benefits it does not provide, attracting expectations it cannot meet, and then facing disappointment that clearer positioning would have helped prevent.

    Do proposes another approach: acknowledge the bargain proposition and bring a sense of humor to it. The appeal comes from the absence of pretense. Customers do not have to reconcile an elevated sales pitch with an obviously modest experience.

    In his argument, candor becomes part of the relationship. The company recognizes the same reality the customer recognizes. That shared understanding can be more persuasive than an attempt to talk the customer out of what is already apparent.

    • Do not describe a bargain offer as a luxury experience.
    • Make the limited proposition clear rather than evasive.
    • Use humor to acknowledge reality, not to contradict it.

    The distinction also changes how a brand chooses its comparisons. Measuring a bargain service against a luxury promise it never intended to fulfill produces the wrong test. The more useful question is whether the actual proposition is understandable and delivered honestly.

    That issue belongs beside the audience questions raised by Know Your Audience. Positioning is not simply a favorable description of a business. In Do’s examples, it has to connect the nature of the offer with the expectations of the person considering it.

    A modest offer can become clearer without becoming more elaborate. The work is not always to add benefits. Sometimes it is to stop implying the wrong ones.

    That creates an important fork in the argument. The service-oriented company needs to repair conduct that contradicts its claim. The bargain airline in Do’s hypothetical needs a claim that fits its intended experience.

    One requires the business to change. The other requires the business to stop pretending it is something else.

    Confusing those situations leads to the wrong remedy. A clever acknowledgment will not repair broken service. An expensive attempt to imitate a different category will not necessarily clarify a sound bargain proposition.

    Personality Works Best Without the Pretending

    Once the promise fits the offer, personality has a useful role to play. Do does not argue that modest businesses should communicate in a flat, apologetic voice. He argues that honesty can create room for humor, warmth, and a more distinctive relationship.

    His airline examples make the distinction tangible. In his description of Southwest, the appealing quality is not an imitation of luxury. It is the human energy of employees who bring humor to an otherwise routine interaction.

    Do recalls flight attendants making unusual announcements and telling jokes. His interest is in what that behavior contributes to the experience: a limited service need not feel indifferent simply because it is limited.

    “Bring sense of humor. Bring some charm,” he says.

    The order established earlier remains essential. Personality follows an honest understanding of the offer. It should not be asked to conceal the difference between what the business promises and what it provides.

    Charm should reinforce the truth, not replace it.

    This is a narrower and more useful claim than suggesting that funny brands automatically succeed. Do offers no performance measure establishing humor as a universal route to better results. He describes why a self-aware voice appeals to him and how it can make an ordinary experience feel more personable.

    The appeal depends on congruence. Humor acknowledges the experience rather than pretending the customer has entered an entirely different one. The business and the customer are responding to the same situation, which makes the personality feel connected to reality.

    His tourism anecdote uses a similar reversal. The creative idea he recounts takes the perception of an empty destination and reframes open landscapes as the attraction. The useful lesson is the change in interpretation, not an independently established claim about a tourism campaign’s commercial success.

    Absence can be disappointing under one expectation and appealing under another. A destination does not have to acquire a different landscape for the audience to see value in what is already there. The message can clarify the significance of an existing characteristic.

    That is different from denying the characteristic. A message that insists a quiet place is bustling asks the audience to believe something the experience will contradict. A message that makes quiet appealing gives the audience a different reason to choose it.

    The storytelling dimension has a natural companion in Storytelling Is A Superpower. Here, the narrative move is specific: use an existing perception as material rather than treating it only as an obstacle.

    Do’s examples also suggest a boundary. A limitation that suits a particular offer can be reframed. A failure to fulfill a promise has to be corrected.

    Confusing parking is not an opportunity for a charming explanation when the business promises an effortless welcome. Rude service does not become attentive because the copywriter gives it a knowing tone.

    The creative opportunity begins after that distinction is made. Then the brand can decide whether it needs to improve something, explain something, or express something with more personality.

    Not every criticism calls for an apology. Not every criticism can be turned into a selling point.

    The Promise Has to Survive Another Visit

    Do’s argument ends up less concerned with appearing authentic than with becoming difficult to contradict. The business needs a promise that fits its offer, an operation capable of delivering it, and communication that does not ask customers to ignore their own experience.

    That produces a practical order of work, although Do does not give it a branded framework or a formal name. The sequence comes directly from his advice: listen, examine the failure, make the changes, and address the perception that remains.

    The temptation is to begin at the end. A new message is visible and easier to announce than better training. But visibility does not make communication the first intervention the business needs.

    • Listen before defending. Read reviews and examine both favorable and unfavorable sentiment.
    • Repair before requesting another chance. Change the hiring, training, or delivery behind the failure.
    • Address the old perception directly once the business has changed.
    • Offer a concrete opportunity to experience the difference.

    The sequence makes an apology more demanding, not less. The company has to identify what it failed to deliver without turning the admission into an elaborate excuse. Then it has to make the new encounter meaningfully different.

    A complimentary item can help create that encounter, but its purpose is specific. It gives the customer a reason to return and the company a chance to demonstrate its work. It cannot compensate indefinitely for an operation that still produces the original problem.

    For a deliberately limited offer, the work takes a different shape. There is no obligation to imitate a premium competitor simply to avoid acknowledging a tradeoff. The business has to describe that tradeoff clearly enough that the customer understands what is being chosen.

    Personality can then make the choice more appealing. Humor can soften an austere offer; warmth can improve an ordinary interaction. Neither changes the underlying obligation to keep the promise.

    The most revealing test is the next encounter. A customer who accepts the invitation to return should not have to search for evidence that something changed. The improvement needs to appear in the product, the assistance, or the behavior that previously caused disappointment.

    This is why Do keeps returning to execution. The business cannot control whether a customer forgives it, enjoys its humor, or adopts its preferred description. It can control whether its people and its offer provide a reasonable basis for that response.

    “It's execution that wins the game,” he says.

    The standard is therefore more concrete than a reputation campaign. A service promise has to survive contact with the staff. A product claim has to survive use. A candid bargain proposition has to remain candid when the customer experiences its limits.

    The message is only the beginning of that test.

    For a business facing a credibility gap, the next move is not automatically a rebrand, an apology, or a joke. It is an honest diagnosis of whether the offer is broken, the promise is inflated, or the value is being poorly explained.

    Then the company has to do the corresponding work.

    The customer does not owe the brand a better interpretation. The brand owes the customer better evidence.

    We know that in business, ideas are cheap. It's execution that wins the game. So you have to take your brand as seriously as you do in a product or delivery of a service. You have to take it all the way through. So you have to hire different. You have to hire better. You have to train and implement certain things so that people are living up to the promise of the brand. We recall that a brand is a person's gut feeling about a product or service organization as defined by brand legend himself, Marty Neumeier. So what happens if you're in a situation where the perception of your brand is different than your own image and your mind or what you wish it to be? And this happens all the time. There's a misalignment. And if we go with the conceit that your brand isn't what you say and it's what they say it is, then the only one that really matters is what they say it is. And we know that recently, I think Chevy got into some heat because they came out with a Camaro that is electric, I believe, or a hybrid engine that loses all of the identity of Camaro, which is American muscle car that's loud and powerful. And so the perception from the audience is Chevy's lost their way. They've neutered this masculine vehicle and they're moving in the wrong direction. There's another one that came, I don't know why I'm talking about car companies, but with Jaguars, Jaguars rebrand and trying to appeal to a whole different demographic that's more feminine, that's more inclusive, that's more fashion forward than the traditional heritage. They changed everything about it. And so people were up in arms saying, what'd you do to my Jaguar brand? Okay, so here we are. What if you're one of those companies where your own internal perception or where you'd like to be is the one that aligns with public perception? Well, I think number one is you have to do a little bit of social listening to see what they're really saying and to have a honest conversation with yourself to say like, it doesn't matter what we say we do. If people don't perceive that, then it's just an intention. It's an idea. But when that intention meets reality, the cold hard truth comes out. Let's say you're really a customer service oriented company that you believe in excellence and customer service, but you don't train the right way. You don't hire the right way so that when someone goes to your place of business, they have a very different perception. Parking is confusing. Customer service is rude. People are very curt. No one goes out of the way to help you. So you see now where the real problem is. Because ultimately, the problem lies in you and how you've been able to execute on an idea. We know that in business, ideas are cheap. It's execution that wins the game. So you have to take your brand as seriously as you do in a product or delivery of a service. You have to take it all the way through. So you have to hire different. You have to hire better. You have to train and implement certain things so that people are living up to the promise of the brand. Now, let's just say you've done all that stuff. If you've read the reviews, you've done the social listening, you understand what people are saying, the sentiment, both good and bad, and you've gone to fix that, what can you do? You have to tackle the perception head on. You have to address it. Previously, we failed. We were negligent in delivering the world -class service that we thought we had. to go through internal audit and we've changed. Give us a second chance. The next drink or the next something is on us and allow us to show you this. Now, you might sit there and think, Chris, that's pretty nice. From the world of your imagination. But how does this work in reality? Well, in reality, Domino's Pizza did this very thing. They thought they had a really good pizza. But Domino's is the kind of pizza you used to order when you had no other options. No one would deliver. No one was open. And you would just order Domino's. Their dough tasted like cardboard. Their cheese wasn't tasty. The toppings weren't premium. And so they went through this very expensive process and hired consultants and chefs to fix their entire pizza -making operation. And then what they did was they reached out to a bunch of influencers and said, we're going to just send you pizza. We're not asking you to do anything. If you'd like to talk about it, if you don't talk about it, we're good to go. Would you be willing to do that? And they sent a bunch of pizzas to people who were influential. I'm like, wow, this is very different. And it's reflected today in the packaging. If you look at the packaging of today versus a few years back where the box was mostly a blue and red Domino's logo to one that feels like it's got attitude and it's hand -drawn. It's got a lot of personality to it as if it were from a smaller pizzeria in New York City somewhere that has a whole vibe. And in fact, it's done such a good job that my perception of the brand is so different than it used to be. My son and I, we like pizza and we like dirty, greasy pizza, not the artisanal high pinky pizza. We like this kind of dirty American pizza and Domino's is something we do like and we enjoy it very much. So that's how people in the real world in Fortune 100 companies have done this. You tackle the objection for the belief or the perception heads on and you do a mea culpa. You say, we've messed up. We failed. We will try harder. Give us a shot. And here's what we're willing to do to make it up to you. It's time for a quick break, but we'll be right back. Just a few months, we're going to hit our 400th episode of this podcast. And before we get there, we want to take a moment to really listen to you, our loyal listeners. If you're open to chatting with my producer, Rich Cardona, or someone on his team, we'd love to hear from you. Just fill out the short form in the show notes. It takes less than 20 seconds. Want to make the most of the opportunities coming your way this year? I'd like to invite you to join me inside the Future Pro membership, your ace in the hole for 2024. With expert guidance and a supportive community, the Future Pro membership was created as your ultimate business lifeline. And we have years of testimonials for members to prove it. Check it out at thefuture .com slash pro. And we're back. Welcome back to our conversation. Let's say you're Spirit Airlines, which is really bargain flying. It's very like a bus with wings, right? And what Spirit doesn't want to do is tell you they're Virgin Atlantic. They're not going to tell you they're Singapore Airlines or Emirates because they can't. They're just so laughable if they were trying to claim that. So the best thing that you do then is you just lean into it. You're like the cheapest fares and we're barely better than a bus. And then people say they have a sense of humor. I like them. They're being really honest. You know, we like people who are honest with themselves and with us. We know better that you're not trying to pull the wool over our eyes and we feel a connection there. Southwest has done a really good job of making their airline great and profitable despite being a discount airline. They've revolutionized how people get on the plane. You don't have pre -assigned seats. They barely even give you anything to eat. And they all fly the exact same kind of jet. But what they do is they say, fair fares. And I like that. It's like, we're not going to tell you it's the best. And they encourage their employees, the flight attendants, to have fun. So their announcements are weird. They're wacky. And they tell jokes. So it's kind of like, are you a flight attendant or a part -time stand -up comic? And we're just embracing this, right? Like, oh, the captain is, turn on the sign. I mean, please sit down. Yes, you in row three, sit down, please. You know, and they have a good sense of humor. And I like that. So they said there's just a famous line in Pulp Fiction, right? There's an argument between Samuel L. Jackson's character and John Travolta's character. And they're talking about pork. And he's like, you don't eat pork? And he goes, no, pork is a filthy animal. And he goes, but pork tastes good. And he goes, well, you ain't going to eat a dog, are you? Well, that dog's got a personality. And so he's like, would you give up bacon? He goes, that pig better have a really good personality for me to give up something so delicious. So what I'm saying in that rough comparison here is, if it's not great, at least bring personality to it. Bring sense of humor. Bring some charm. Here's one last example I'll share with that. The Montana Tourism Board was seeing that, you know, we're not getting a lot of tourism here. So they hired an ad agency to figure out how they can bring more people to Montana to spend their money. States like that need your tourism dollars. So they went and did an audit. They questioned a lot of people. They did focus groups. And time and time again, what people would say like, yeah, what do you think about Montana? There's nothing here. Like, okay, what do we do with that? So they came up with a campaign that showed pristine, untouched wilderness, mountains and rivers and streams. And they came up with a tagline. Guess what they said? Nothing here. Isn't that genius? And you're like, you're right. You're not fighting my perception. Another one, even more famous than this one, way more famous is what happens in Las Vegas. And you know the rest of the story, because we're not going to pretend like bad stuff doesn't happen here. We're just saying we have a secret pact not to tell our significant others or bosses or employees what happens here. It's worked so well that Las Vegas needs to change this image about themselves because they feel like they've outgrown the Sin City of Stereotype. Good luck with that. Thanks for joining us. If you haven't already, subscribe to our show on your favorite podcasting app and get new insightful episodes from us every week. The future podcast is hosted by Chris Doe and produced and edited by Rich Cardona Media. Thank you to Adam Sanborn for our intro music. Thanks again for listening, and we'll see you next time.
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